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Postby nobody321 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:53 pm

hello,

this is my first time posting in this section on this site. I've made and have helped with endo edits in mugen as well as a few other misc projects. I myself am somewhat into endo but have trouble understanding the pleasure of digestion or being digested. I've seen the community interpretations of it and have had mixed results as to understanding the appeal to digestion in it's entirety. The closest thing I come to for a conclusion is that it is some sort of arcane form of masochism. I'm told that by some of this community that this is not the case as it "just pornography" and that concern or high-order thinking is not usually addressed when it comes to digestion.

Are my assertions correct or am I just overthinking this?

Do you have anything else to say?

any response is appreciated as these have been a nagging question on me while I've been involved in this community.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby ninth » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:21 pm

It can be simplified down to two sides:

1) A pleasurable disconnect from the "reality" of the situation - becoming one with the pred, etc. The digestion is usually overlooked in this situation

2) A focus on the pain of being dissolved - more connected to the "reality" of the situation. The pain is the focus in this case and could be viewed as masochistic.

As always the truth is more complex. You are overthinking it :P it is pornography after all! Cheers
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby CassyInko » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Being an exclusively 'digestion predator' myself, there's a few different things that appeal about it. I can't say on the prey side, but for the pred side...well, there's a sense of realism that Endo simply lacks. A stomach is not a sleeping bag, so I don't treat it like one. It's made to digest food put into it! Not be a cuddly, warm, safe spot to curl up in. If anything, it's the exact opposite!

So, with digestion, it can be any number of different things. It's domination, it's a feeling of power, it's someone becoming part, permanently, of whatever predator ate them. IF they're into post-vore, there's degredation and humiliation. There can be a fear aspect, or a submissive aspect, or any other number of different things.

So, the 'pleasure of being digested' is different for each prey, I'd imagine. Being a pred myself, I enjoy certain aspects, but those aspect might differ from one person to the next! I eat people and use the stomach like it's meant to be used, and...I enjoy it a lot! Each person is different, and people like digestion for different reasons, just like people enjoy Endo for different reasons. Endo seems to be less about being a pred, and more about being a mobile pack that happens to stuff people into it. Digestion is all about preds being...well, preds!

To each their own, and there's no reason why either side is any better than the other. People have different likes, and always will.

If you want to understand digestion, the best thing you can do is experience it, see if you can enjoy it or if there are fun aspects to it, and if not? Stick with what you do enjoy!
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Cuddlekins » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:25 pm

I'm really into the snuff aspect of vore, so digestion's kinda a given for me.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby ShinOhiXIV » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:31 pm

Oh no Ryla said the perma word. If there were anyone left from chat on the site I'm sure they'd be triggered by now. x3

As for the topic of the thread, generally overthinking fetish porn is kind of how everyone goes about it. I do it, plenty of people I know do it. It is what it is. For me, realism is what makes vore as well as vore RP fun and since I play a pred in the chatroom here and elsewhere I see it from the pred side as well, though I can see it from the prey side simply because I've done it as a pred so much that I understand what prey like.

Yes, generally people don't seem to like digesting to death in RP either, much less what comes after that. Some people use it as a place to get affection or what have you. But if I'm doing anything related to vore, the more realistic it is, the better. Fluffing it up with endo things just takes the visceral immersive enjoyment out of it for me.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby CassyInko » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:33 pm

ShinOhiXIV wrote:Oh no Ryla said the perma word. If there were anyone left from chat on the site I'm sure they'd be triggered by now. x3

As for the topic of the thread, generally overthinking fetish porn is kind of how everyone goes about it. I do it, plenty of people I know do it. It is what it is. For me, realism is what makes vore as well as vore RP fun and since I play a pred in the chatroom here and elsewhere I see it from the pred side as well, though I can see it from the prey side simply because I've done it as a pred so much that I understand what prey like.

Yes, generally people don't seem to like digesting to death in RP either, much less what comes after that. Some people use it as a place to get affection or what have you. But if I'm doing anything related to vore, the more realistic it is, the better. Fluffing it up with endo things just takes the visceral immersive enjoyment out of it for me.




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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby nobody321 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:35 pm

CassyInko wrote:Being an exclusively 'digestion predator' myself, there's a few different things that appeal about it. I can't say on the prey side, but for the pred side...well, there's a sense of realism that Endo simply lacks. A stomach is not a sleeping bag, so I don't treat it like one. It's made to digest food put into it! Not be a cuddly, warm, safe spot to curl up in. If anything, it's the exact opposite!

So, with digestion, it can be any number of different things. It's domination, it's a feeling of power, it's someone becoming part, permanently, of whatever predator ate them. IF they're into post-vore, there's degredation and humiliation. There can be a fear aspect, or a submissive aspect, or any other number of different things.

So, the 'pleasure of being digested' is different for each prey, I'd imagine. Being a pred myself, I enjoy certain aspects, but those aspect might differ from one person to the next! I eat people and use the stomach like it's meant to be used, and...I enjoy it a lot! Each person is different, and people like digestion for different reasons, just like people enjoy Endo for different reasons. Endo seems to be less about being a pred, and more about being a mobile pack that happens to stuff people into it. Digestion is all about preds being...well, preds!

To each their own, and there's no reason why either side is any better than the other. People have different likes, and always will.

If you want to understand digestion, the best thing you can do is experience it, see if you can enjoy it or if there are fun aspects to it, and if not? Stick with what you do enjoy!


well thankyou for directly answering my question without being coy or nebulous. I think I can paint a better picture of the aspect of digestion.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Vailyss » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:36 pm

It's sexy & you're overthinking this.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby CassyInko » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:37 pm

nobody321 wrote:
CassyInko wrote:Being an exclusively 'digestion predator' myself, there's a few different things that appeal about it. I can't say on the prey side, but for the pred side...well, there's a sense of realism that Endo simply lacks. A stomach is not a sleeping bag, so I don't treat it like one. It's made to digest food put into it! Not be a cuddly, warm, safe spot to curl up in. If anything, it's the exact opposite!

So, with digestion, it can be any number of different things. It's domination, it's a feeling of power, it's someone becoming part, permanently, of whatever predator ate them. IF they're into post-vore, there's degredation and humiliation. There can be a fear aspect, or a submissive aspect, or any other number of different things.

So, the 'pleasure of being digested' is different for each prey, I'd imagine. Being a pred myself, I enjoy certain aspects, but those aspect might differ from one person to the next! I eat people and use the stomach like it's meant to be used, and...I enjoy it a lot! Each person is different, and people like digestion for different reasons, just like people enjoy Endo for different reasons. Endo seems to be less about being a pred, and more about being a mobile pack that happens to stuff people into it. Digestion is all about preds being...well, preds!

To each their own, and there's no reason why either side is any better than the other. People have different likes, and always will.

If you want to understand digestion, the best thing you can do is experience it, see if you can enjoy it or if there are fun aspects to it, and if not? Stick with what you do enjoy!


well thankyou for directly answering my question without being coy or nebulous. I think I can paint a better picture of the aspect of digestion.


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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby ShinOhiXIV » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:38 pm

Vailyss wrote:It's sexy & you're overthinking this.


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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby ShinOhiXIV » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:41 pm

CassyInko wrote:
ShinOhiXIV wrote:Oh no Ryla said the perma word. If there were anyone left from chat on the site I'm sure they'd be triggered by now. x3

As for the topic of the thread, generally overthinking fetish porn is kind of how everyone goes about it. I do it, plenty of people I know do it. It is what it is. For me, realism is what makes vore as well as vore RP fun and since I play a pred in the chatroom here and elsewhere I see it from the pred side as well, though I can see it from the prey side simply because I've done it as a pred so much that I understand what prey like.

Yes, generally people don't seem to like digesting to death in RP either, much less what comes after that. Some people use it as a place to get affection or what have you. But if I'm doing anything related to vore, the more realistic it is, the better. Fluffing it up with endo things just takes the visceral immersive enjoyment out of it for me.




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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Nonagon » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 pm

In my case I started being fascinated just by the "inside" part of vore, I got turned on by thinking about being inside the pred, which is a concept I'd always found fascinating. Initially I didn't like the idea of digestion but after discovering vore itself I was exposed to it and grew to like it. I know really enjoy it and it's one of the main parts I focus on, even if it doesn't happen I've got to know it will in most of my fantasies.

I could dwell on how exciting it is to be one with the pred, to be dissolved, treated like nothing but food and the tropes we've all heard about - and they're partly true. Those are sexy thoughts to me but the main think is that I like the concept and get turned on thinking about it. I do tend to be masochistic in my sexual life more than anything so those things are the icing on the cake but digestion all by itself just seems erotic in almost every detail I can imagine, anything I add (such as indiferene by the pred or pretending it's about realism after either being shrunk and swallowed or the even less plausible swallowed same size and then digested easily like a normal meal by an organ generally prepared to process a cooked version of about 100th of my weight in flesh at the very most after it's been chewed, which you know, is not very realistic) is just that, something I've purposefully thought of to make the already appealing situation more appealing.

As for why I like digestion so much, I've got no idea. The development of my sexuality was kind of bumpy as initially I was made to feel like sex itself was sort of wrong so I ended up choosing the next best thing I had that was "socially acceptable" to me internally, which was being eaten or macrophillia in a more general term, however the fascination with that subject came from as long as I can remember so it's always been there.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby digesta » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:14 pm

As prey, I like the idea of losing myself in the fantasy. It is sexy stuff, so a lot of it is fixating on a predator who has qualities (both physical and socioemotional) that I find attractive. Literally being assimilated into that person is very stimulating. And, as was mentioned, the post-vore degradation and humiliation is a big turn on. Not only does "the essential I" disappear in the equation, he is replaced by what the pred determines. All my agency is lost to the most basic of biological processes, and one handled by the autonomous nervous system, to boot. I'm not even being consciously dismantled - I'm not worth the thought. The pain of digestion factors in when I consider my predator knows of my suffering, but doesn't care. Again, because I don't matter in the equation.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Humbug » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:29 pm

Different people have different reasons for enjoying the digestion aspect of vore. Ryla gave a good one for the predator perspective, and I'm sure someone will chime in with the prey perspective, but I'm an observer, which seems very uncommon in this community.

But here you go: My perspective.

I'm a big fan of the "extinction" aspect of vore. Taking a character who was integrated into society and had a role to play and just...removing them. And then life goes on and the gap is filled. All because a predator had some sort of petty reason to eat them, whether it was simple hunger or just jealousy/irritation/anger/fun. Adding some fat as a reminder that it happened and that the pred is still doing their thing can be nice from time to time too.

So I guess it's the symbolism of the whole thing. Taking someone out of society, a safe place, and subjecting them to the most basic law of nature, which they never even considered for a second. That's why characters are so important to me: It gives more impact to this narrative. It's kind of beautiful in its own weird, messed-up way.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby anonymousexperiment » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:34 pm

For me, the appeal is the power dynamic and the permanence. What's a better way to show your commitment than to become dissolved and made part of their body forever? And just the idea of having someone for a snack is such a huge power imbalance, that one person's entire life is less important than another person's moderate hunger.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Lightness0001 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:30 pm

My personal fondness towards it seems fairly separate from others here so I'll tack it on here.

For me, I've always considered digestion (or at least, the implication of it) pretty tied into vore. I still really like friendly safe vore in certain contexts, but digestion is usually my preference. However, I don't really care at all about how fatal/permanent it is. I also don't really like it super painful or gorey, I usually go with a painless, melting digestion. So then, what I like is the feeling of melting down (from both the pred and prey perspective), along with some other sensations around that. It's mostly physical, I suppose. It's worth noting I do rather like the feeling of pressure :p And weight gain, at least in art/stories.

I guess my rampant hand-waving of reality in this regard shows that it is pretty much "just pornography", haha
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby nobody321 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:42 am

id like to thank everyone for their time to answer my question. I think i can come to a much better conclusion now based on the answers given. That there the reason why is fundamentally subjective though the majority of answers seem to circle around commitment, domination, submission, permanence and being apart of something bigger than yourself. Thus I'll conclude those are the main factors. Please let me know if I missed any. While I'll probably never be into digestion aspect I can appreciate people most people for giving direct and crisp answers. Thus I can lie this nagging question to rest.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby EnderDracolich » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:25 am

nobody321 wrote:The closest thing I come to for a conclusion is that it is some sort of arcane form of masochism. I'm told that by some of this community that this is not the case as it "just pornography" and that concern or high-order thinking is not usually addressed when it comes to digestion.


For some people, it is masochistic, for some others, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Vore is rather diverse, even if you count Endo as an entirely separate thing, there is still room for many different mentalities, preferences, and rationales. For some people, it's not even necessarily sexual.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby Nonagon » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:02 pm

nobody321 wrote:id like to thank everyone for their time to answer my question. I think i can come to a much better conclusion now based on the answers given. That there the reason why is fundamentally subjective though the majority of answers seem to circle around commitment, domination, submission, permanence and being apart of something bigger than yourself. Thus I'll conclude those are the main factors. Please let me know if I missed any. While I'll probably never be into digestion aspect I can appreciate people most people for giving direct and crisp answers. Thus I can lie this nagging question to rest.


As I said, there's some of us that just find digestion sexy all in itself. There are people who get turned on by digestion without vore necessarily involved. There's tons of people fixated just on stomach gurgles and thinking about food inside whoever being processed by their body. In my case I think I've got some of that, and it just merges very naturally with vore itself.
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Re: Questions Regarding Digestion and Endostomatophilia

Postby VampireBunny » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:44 am

nobody321 wrote:hello,

this is my first time posting in this section on this site. I've made and have helped with endo edits in mugen as well as a few other misc projects. I myself am somewhat into endo but have trouble understanding the pleasure of digestion or being digested. I've seen the community interpretations of it and have had mixed results as to understanding the appeal to digestion in it's entirety. The closest thing I come to for a conclusion is that it is some sort of arcane form of masochism. I'm told that by some of this community that this is not the case as it "just pornography" and that concern or high-order thinking is not usually addressed when it comes to digestion.

Are my assertions correct or am I just overthinking this?

Do you have anything else to say?

any response is appreciated as these have been a nagging question on me while I've been involved in this community.



I can't say I understand the more... "evil minded" predators you'll see, who like it in a murderous sense of domination.

But I can say this, Why do you find getting a headshot on an enemy unit in a shooter game satisfying? Why is it cool to slice and decapitate a villain with a sword when either of these things would put a bad taste in your mouth if done to an innocent civilian in a work of fiction? The reason is that you find those ideas appealing, a tricky shot from across the map hitting an enemy right between the eyes, a cool swordsman/swordswoman slicing away at an armored warlord? Those are just cool and aesthetically pleasing, therefore the moral baggage with chopping off a head, or shooting a bullet into a brain just melts away, when these are done to the deserving, or the faceless and mindless, you can sit back and enjoy the violence for how simply "cool" it is. Digestion is the same exact thing for me.

Now it seems that the majority of people here don't enjoy what I do and instead go for the more... brutal, approach.
But I think it's impossible to claim there isnt a level of either sadism or masochism in that corner, It's just definitively what those are. People will avoid it by saying "Uhh dont think about it" but it's just the naked truth.

To summarize, its either a combination of sadism and or masochism mixed together with endo, or it's like people like me (if anyone is like me, im starting to worry im the only one in the world who isnt interested in that) and it's another almost mindless guilty free enjoyment of violence like in so many other fictional pieces of media we consume that manages to be sexually attractive too.

You might like digestion, I avoided it at first but then I figured out theres no rule that says it must be linked with sadistic thoughts. Just like all fictional death in the rest of our fiction, Guns, swords, magic, 「STANDS」, spikey pointed chain whips, you name it, it doesn't have to be evil.
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