Unbirth horror?

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Unbirth horror?

Postby SecretBaboon » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:45 am

Hello, I’m new here. I’m still tentatively taking my baby steps in regards to things I should’ve explored in my teens, but that’s a story for another day. As for the topic of this thread, I’ve been doing some thinking: would it be possible to make a story concept that uses unbirth, but is told in such a way that divorces the trope from the sexual connotations? Of course people are gonna wack off to anything, but it does make me wonder.

I’m a writer, and one thing I really enjoy doing is taking a certain trope and/or character, and then suplexing them into a complete 180 of the original concept, but still remaining true to the core of it. So you can see how this intrigues me. Some other types of vore can be written, and taken, in a non-sexual way, but that’s hardly the case with unbirth. (But like I said, people are gonna wack off to anything) Unbirth is hard case, since it just seems sexual by nature. It makes sense it would be, though. So the safest route that I thought I would go is horror. It’s been done before, but whatever. I’m aware that erotica and horror aren’t mutually exclusive, but for my thought experiment I want to try and separate the two as much as possible.

The idea I have in my mind right now is kinda Lovecraftian/SCP-ish. A powerful extra-dimensional god-being sees earth, or just a single person, and deems them incomplete. They drag them (kicking and screaming if they’re aware of being dragged into it) to their dimension, and now they have to try to get back to their home somehow, all the while avoiding the sight and grasp of the god-being and then subsequently having their sense of self torn apart.

Or something like that. Maybe it’s like a slow tearing of his concept of reality as he’s being pulled into the womb of an elder god to become a monster.

This likely can work as a horror game

I just want to outright say it: I’m not saying that the fetish-y stories are bad, far from it, actually. My brain just likes a storytelling challenge, and this was a concept that I wanted to explore.

So, any ideas?
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby ParallelBlack » Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:06 pm

This is a really cool idea! I'm of a similar mindset when it comes to how I take concepts, though more for comedy or comedy-horror than anything properly horrifying. Nonetheless, I can see where you're struggling. Normal oral vore is only one tiny step away from being nightmare fuel, and absorption can easily be entangled with things like possession and a loss of self. Unbirthing, though? In order to make that into something horrifying you'll need to break down the biggest obstacle in your way: the concept of motherhood, and of the relationship between mother and child. That concept, in my opinion, is central to what makes unbirthing attractive, and therefore, you need to warp that in order to make unbirthing into horror.

Following this train of thought would involve thinking hard on the monster herself. She needs to not only be a terrifying threat and a mind-bendingly ugly being, she needs to be a horrific person. You need to make the very thought of being near her horrifying, like a toxic relationship with an abusive parent. The idea that the main character loses his sanity by looking at her or being near her could be made into an allegory for this kind of relationship, giving the horror more of a representative vibe rather than a lovecraftian fantasy one, if that makes sense. You need to make the reader deeply uncomfortable at the thought of this character by making her seem as if she could be real in terms of personality.

Once that's done, the idea of being drawn inside of her, to be kept there or warped into something just like her, will be ten times more dreadful than it is attractive.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby blessedwasthechild » Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:47 pm

Toxic fear of women and sexism in general has created a weird micro-ecosystem of obscure, abandoned fiction about vaginas eating men or acting as gateways to some *other* place, and it continues to this day, abandoning the obvious "fear of women" angle and focusing on the *shock* value, the grotesque visceral feeling, and perhaps an equal disregard for how a woman would consider the work when they look at it, guy culture stuff.

So you've got cannibal vaginas like in Apocalypse Zero(spelling?), a grotesque old anime that includes a demon-nurse whose puss just straight up hard-vores people. We haven't even gotten into pulp fiction about "vagina-dentata" or the fact that there is a sculpture somewhere called that too, you can google it, but I dunno if I should link that... so I won't.

I forgot what it was called or how to google it but apparently Warhammer 40k literally has a horror-womb metamorphosis plot, something about chaos soldiers? Anyway, women are horrifically metamorphed into birthing chambers, victims, I think adolescent males or just a bit older? Are fed to the victim-"mother's" womb, and usually the would-be soldier dies, but plenty more emerge days later with *just enough* sanity and *absolutely no skin whatsoever*, and now these skinless chaos-themed super-soldiers are ready to give us what Warhammer 40k has always promised--grimdark and war.

Aaaand guess who else had that exact same idea? A Tabletop RGP called Exalted had/has comics in the game manuals that you can read and get an idea of how to carry your very own wuxia action game of Eastern esotericism, culture, and fantasy. Oh but then in second edition there is the flame-war inducingly controversial bit where an underage human girl is kidnapped by *basically demons* and turned into a barely sane, scared living birthing chamber where "heroes" are fed to her womb and over time are, hopefully, converted into these "Infernal Exalted".

And yeah, this all exists! How much of it was fantasies that were turned *into* horror so that it could be sold as *soooomethiiing?* I dunno, no idea! Or maybe some of this comes from the same weird fear that made dudes become scared that there is such a thing as *vagina dentata* which boys *haaave fucking asked me about* before and it just shocked me!

I can't really recommend this kind of content just cuz of the dogshit-levels of sexism that pervades this kind of, stuuuff... but, you do have those leads, and draw inspiration from for hopefully more contemporary and interesting examples of horrific unbirth? On a slightly unrelated note, your idea would work so well with another tabletop rpg slightly related to Exalted, a game about people being abducted by the fae. These poor games have so much accidental fetish fuel I swear, and they're trying so hard to be progressive!
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Houyo » Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:47 pm

Unbirth has been done in mainstream horror before a few times, but I respect your approach to the challenge of trying to make it non sexy. I got some examples and suggestions.

There's the American God's (I think) character who is a god of lust who unbirths people to sacrifice them. More sexy horror than you probably want though.

I know there is an old clip of a horror show where a guy meets a girl in the wild west and they end up fucking around a campfire. But at the end he's suddenly grotesquely (though like 90s era quality so kinda silly) sucked into her womb as he screams and vanishes. Next morning she's packing up with a big belly.

There is one random show I don't remember where a girl picks up a guy in a bar and they fuck in the bathroom but he suddenly collapses into energy and is sucked into her womb.

All these have definitely been sexual horror. But a completely non sexual alternative is an episode of the Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy where their age hourglasses get turned upside down and they grow so young that they end up being fetuses inside disembodied amniotic sacks before vanishing. Really focuses more on the helplessness of their situation as all they can do is grow weaker and more powerless to stop their demise.

On that note, sexual horror is a VERY powerful form of horror as it terrifies those not sexually liberated. The Aliens horror franchise is designed to be a grotesque mockery of sexuality to heighten the fear. A combination of playing on the viewers potential homophobia and security in their masculinity. The xenomorph effectively rapes dudes and knocks them up, pure body horror for men who have never had to consider the horrors of something like that happening to them.

I've got more but I'm gonna post it after a small break.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Houyo » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:19 pm

Now for suggestions.

First, don't even worry about whether it is sexy or not. To an average person it won't be. Second, you want to decide whether you want it to be a horror devoid of sexuality or a horror that plays on fears and contrasts of sexuality.

For the former, devoid of sexuality, you don't even need to write the unbirth. After all, as many horror games and movies show NOT seeing the monster can be more terrifying. Leave the details about what actually happens or will happen vague and threatening. For example, a man is stalked by a woman who wants a family. Their interactions grow more and more unnerving as her actions grow stranger. Then the 'time' comes and he knows something horrible is going to happen if she catches him, and the reader has been fed enough hints that she wants a child. Finally he's cornered as she undresses, he sees something hidden from the viewer and screams... Cut to black, next scene is her hailing a taxi cab, smiling warmly and glowing with her heavy pregnancy and looking adorable. Beautiful even. She gives a knowing look as she rubs her belly and climbs into the cab. The camera pans to his discarded clothes strewn nearby, his phone ringing as somebody (mother? wife?) Tries to contact him. But he's gone now, taken by a woman who just wanted a family.

The reader knows enough to know that HE is the child she wanted, the revelation a horrific shock as she waddles away. Their minds will reel with grim imaginings of the horror he saw that made him scream. And it will play on the fear that many men have of being robbed of their lives and futures by a woman tricking them into having a baby. Literally turning him into the baby is a great metaphor for simply wanting what he can provide instead of actually any love she might have for him. If you want to scare somebody the best way to do so is to make a metaphor of something they worry about in real life.

Horror movie trends are a great reflection of what the public is afraid of at the moment. The great concern of the times. Medieval horror was demons tempting you into losing your soul, as fear of not getting into heaven was a major issue back then. The fifties had the red scare reflected by aliens, invaders from far away who want to destroy our way of life and could be any one of us in disguise. Slasher fics reflect the increase in fear of female freedom, that women are more sexually free and allowed to travel on their own and that doing so would lead them to death and ruin without their safety of being watched over. Thats why the final girl is a virgin who did not give in to her lusts. Zombies are the fear of becoming another mindless face in the mob of society, no longer feeling special as the world grows more homogenized. Fear of becoming another mindless follower in the crowd.

Fear is real when you can relate it to things you fear in real life. My biggest fear is losing all I've worked for and having it taken away for reasons beyond my control.

I could go on but I need another break. Good luck, and remember! If you want to use the fear of a man being taken and changed beyond recognition to be the scary part of it you should try finding a real world analogy to take inspiration from! Maybe how we end up giving of ourselves and changing to get ahead in our careers and losing the people we once were for profit. Let me knoe if you want more comments!
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby SecretBaboon » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:45 pm

Damn, my 3am insomnia post got some really good feedback!

Now I'm wondering what fears I can play on for unbirth horror stories. Loss of self is a big one, "The old switcharoo" that is vagina dentata and the like, as well as fear of abuse, but those are more obvious. Nyctophobia, Islophobia, Thanatophobia, Claustrophobia, and Agoraphobia would all be fun to play around with, but one of my actual fears that would be an interesting challenge is Acrophobia, or the fear of heights.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Skittles209 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:49 am

Mahiri on furaffinity has done something like this. Or slug, if that is still their username. As you stated. Twisty, creepy, tentacle things that deceive and drag to some darkness or something there is no escape like that Netflix show.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby BombyxAmori » Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:53 am

Houyo's post is really good, and a fantastic bunch of observations on how horror works and how one can write it effectively.

What I have to add to the thread is this:

Some other types of vore can be written, and taken, in a non-sexual way, but that’s hardly the case with unbirth. (But like I said, people are gonna wack off to anything) Unbirth is hard case, since it just seems sexual by nature. It makes sense it would be, though.


Are you sure about this? Although I do see where you're coming from, I think you mayyyy be falling into the (usually male perspective) pitfall where you default to the assumption that anything pertaining to the vagina = sexual. It's actually -- well, what I'm saying is, childbirth itself is something that society would consider a non-sexual experience. And it's definitely true (in many cases, at least). It's just biology, the same way medical books on sexual health aren't exactly porn. Biology that is sometimes romanticized, and sometimes sexualized, but isn't necessarily either all the time.

As I see it, unbirth can easily be non-sexual, for the exact same reasons pregnancy and childbirth can be non-sexual. It can, for many, represent a lovely and non-erotic desire and comfort, the longing to be cradled in the womb of a motherly figure, protected, cared for, and cherished. (Or, in the case of the mother figure, the desire TO hold a dearly loved one inside you and protect them). Ya see what I mean? A lot of good thoughts in this thread, but I felt that perspective was important to share, too.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby SecretBaboon » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:22 am

SweetAndSyrupy wrote:Houyo's post is really good, and a fantastic bunch of observations on how horror works and how one can write it effectively.

What I have to add to the thread is this:

Some other types of vore can be written, and taken, in a non-sexual way, but that’s hardly the case with unbirth. (But like I said, people are gonna wack off to anything) Unbirth is hard case, since it just seems sexual by nature. It makes sense it would be, though.


Are you sure about this? Although I do see where you're coming from, I think you mayyyy be falling into the (usually male perspective) pitfall where you default to the assumption that anything pertaining to the vagina = sexual. It's actually -- well, what I'm saying is, childbirth itself is something that society would consider a non-sexual experience. And it's definitely true (in many cases, at least). It's just biology, the same way medical books on sexual health aren't exactly porn. Biology that is sometimes romanticized, and sometimes sexualized, but isn't necessarily either all the time.

As I see it, unbirth can easily be non-sexual, for the exact same reasons pregnancy and childbirth can be non-sexual. It can, for many, represent a lovely and non-erotic desire and comfort, the longing to be cradled in the womb of a motherly figure, protected, cared for, and cherished. (Or, in the case of the mother figure, the desire TO hold a dearly loved one inside you and protect them). Ya see what I mean? A lot of good thoughts in this thread, but I felt that perspective was important to share, too.


Huh. You do have a good point. Man, I still have a lot to learn
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby cicata » Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:46 am

I think everybody else has covered what I'd have said, except for one thing.

I see we've discussed women/monstrous beings unbirthing people intentionally for various reasons, and women being forced to act as transformation chambers. But who says that those are the only options?

Idea 1: A woman (or, hell, anybody with a vagina, it's not exclusively women) contracts a disease or becomes cursed and finds herself at the mercy of her changing body's desires. Her womb hungers, and as time passes, her body is increasingly altered to sate that hunger whether she wants to or not. This could include all sorts of changes - simple flexibility and stretchiness, or full-on horror transformation, with grasping tentacles and a gaping maw where her vulva used to be. It's essentially themed around the horror of puberty and intense biological urges, and thereby avoids having a "villain" at all.

Idea 2: It's the unbirthees who initiate the scenario, forcibly pushing into the unbirther's womb. Many cultures have spirits or monsters that are supposedly the result of unwanted babies who were killed or left to die. It would be pretty easy to write horror with the idea that the main character finds herself in what used to be the graveyard for a brothel's unwanted babies or something like that, and is swarmed by spirits that want nothing more than to be born to a mother who will love them. But that doesn't take away from the awfulness of being grappled down by dozens of tiny hands, and then something cold and slimy pushing between her legs - pushing, and pushing, and stretching her until she's screaming and bleeding. And it happens again, and again, and again... Depending on the ending you want, she could find herself with a flat belly that rapidly begins to swell with a multiple pregnancy as she gives the spirits a second chance at life, or she could die, either from organ rupture or from the toxins released into her body by far too many tiny rotting corpses.

Idea 3: A grown man or woman wants to be unbirthed, believing (correctly or not) that it will restore their youth. Unfortunately, the other half of this equation isn't willing, so you'd get a scenario a bit like the previous one with lots of pain and the body horror of an impossibly swollen womb. This one is essentially an unwanted pregnancy story, with the added edge of directly acknowledging the selfishness of the person forcing the pregnancy on the victim.

I hope this is all coherent. It's almost 4am for me.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby nerdelation8 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:41 pm

Horror goes great with vore and unbirth. In real life, most of these kinky situations would be terrifying.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Sauvegarde » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:05 am

Skittles209 wrote:Mahiri on furaffinity has done something like this. Or slug, if that is still their username. As you stated. Twisty, creepy, tentacle things that deceive and drag to some darkness or something there is no escape like that Netflix show.


I second that. Mahiri is a really good writer. The thematics of cosmic horror unbirth/vore is something that comes up regularly in her work.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Lorelei » Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:59 am

A very great thread with some good ideas and top contributions (especially the one from Houyo with the sexual horror aspects) and I, as a horror fan, can think of a lot. But first 2 important basic thoughts about it. First of all, I find (especially for my personal fantasies) the term unbirthing very inappropriate and rather vaginal vore.
Because it is often about lust, dominance, power or just energy or food, but has nothing to do with security and motherliness. Second, for many non-Vore fans or fetishists, the already common oral vore can be pure horror, i.e. it be devoured alive and then digested. In the same way you can see and hold it with Unbirth, especially when there is no rejuvenation or protection or security at the end in the abdomen.

Especially since I think it can be sexual (so lustful for the huntress) and still horror for the unwilling Prey and the Pred can also look beautiful or sexy and still it doesn't get erotic for the Prey (at most at the beginning, if the beautiful appearance also a trap is to lure Prey).
Because of the last thought I also notice that in myths and legends there are often beings who look like beautiful women and thus attract men and then turn out to be monsters / demons and eat the surprised prey. Of course this is also a personal preference of mine, i.e. UB Pred (or in general) who look very pretty or attractive and lure or deceive their prey (similar to a Venus flytrap) and I love monster girls more than anything.
Often I even find the contradiction or the paradox so stimulating, that is, a beautiful looking woman and erotic and then the negative destructive devouring or even deadly. And of course, sexual horror is one of the most powerful things in horror films, as Houyo pointed out. Non-sexual scenes also occur to me in countless horror or other media because of unbirth horror (not always human women) and even one from the comedy area at a birth where the doctor wants to get the baby out and in the end a green radiation comes out and tentacles and the Doctor is thereby irradiated and dissolved.

Because of sexual scenes, where Prey doesn't find it erotic, I also think of one from a series that I found very stimulating in a special way. A woman very erotically dressed and looking, but in reality she was an alien with a hunger for energy and at the end of the orgasm she had sucked all the life force out of the men and killed them in this way.
She even fell on many surprised men en masse and very excitedly without asking and fucked them almost to death and one of them was even gay and clearly did not want it (which already had the character of a rape and is therefore certainly not sexual for Prey) .
So for UB horror scenarios there are many possibilities through aliens or mutations or my favorite, goddesses. A death goddess or angry mother of life, who now no longer creates life but devours, are also great and whose lap would be the devouring death for all living beings / Prey who got into it or a cosmic female alien being like a Lovecraft god monster all of that Wants to devour earth and its lap becomes like a black hole that sucks in or eats all people. I can think of countless other ideas, because I love horror very much and Unbirth is my longest and most intense vore fetish (also the devouring deadly mother / woman or erotic aggressive dominance and not like many with security and motherliness) but I already have it written enough and have to eat right away.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Gutlover » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:34 pm

So the latest episode of Primal had a great example of Soul Unbirth horror.

In order to reproduce, a stone age witch coven's matriarch took the souls of men (who's bodies turned to bones after the soul extraction) into her womb to be reborn as baby girls. This all happens in about a minute. She transforms into some sort of Aku like shadow monster in order to do this.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby TSaPA » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:30 am

I feel self-conscious for having tried a few of these concepts- ranging from the "eldritch mother offering rebirth to mortals she deems imperfect" to even the freaking dentata thing in a non-horror setting.

Nevertheless, I feel like there's not much else I can add that others before me have mentioned already in better terms, except possibly the suggestion that if you want to go the Lovecraftian/Eldritch Horror route, feel free to play with the protag's perceptions of reality and play fast and loose with the definition of "unbirth" and concepts associated with it that are at play, especially if we're going with a game idea here. The entity/ies responsible for his predicament are not human, let alone of his world, after all- so his mortal conception of such things as "birth" and "womb" might not do him as much good as he would like.

Perhaps the source of the voice offering him solace from imperfection in her womb in an unholy approximation of a maternal tone isn't coming from the strange para-feminine entity pursuing him with its demonstratively yonic hungering orifice, but rather the vast, eldritch labyrinth he calls his prison itself. Perhaps the rebirth it offers isn't necessarily from the womb-like fleshy sacs often sported by the creatures he seeks to evade and the alien living structures he may encounter during his attempts to escape, but instead it is an inevitable consequence of his experience and interaction with the domain of this alien mother-goddess that has chosen him?

Perhaps the lines between the physical and psychological transformations he fears, and his own efforts to avoid them, are less distinct than he believes?

Perhaps his mortal life he seeks to return to was but the furtive dreams of an unborn infant, and now like an embryonic shark he awakes to struggle against his sisters for the right to leave his mother's labyrinthine womb and be truly born?


So yeah, lots of good advice on the nature and sexuality (or lack thereof) of unbirth and how to effectively use it for horror, but just saying if you want to go the Lovecraftian/Eldritch Horror route where a major threat is a potential loss of self, you can have a lot of fun with using recontextualization, defamiliarization, misdirection, and infuriating lack of objectivity to let your audience follow the protag through a downward spiral of insanity and madness that comes with the genre. It can be tricky to strike just the right balance of mind-screw, though; too much and your readers will just be confused and unsatisfied and give up, too little and you just give them a handful of red herrings they'll never piece together the significance of.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Gutlover » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:37 pm

TSaPA wrote:
So yeah, lots of good advice on the nature and sexuality (or lack thereof) of unbirth and how to effectively use it for horror, but just saying if you want to go the Lovecraftian/Eldritch Horror route where a major threat is a potential loss of self, you can have a lot of fun with using recontextualization, defamiliarization, misdirection, and infuriating lack of objectivity to let your audience follow the protag through a downward spiral of insanity and madness that comes with the genre.



Speaking of Lovecraft, Silent Hill is probably a good source of inspiration for the subject. In Silent Hill 4, the apartment basically represents the protags mother's womb. And Silent Hill homecoming had literal unbirth with his brother being put inside a mechanical spider woman to be reborn.

Heck I would actually love to read a Silent Hill unbirth fanfic about someone who is either sexually repressed, has a mother complex, or is suicidal. Any of those situations could lead to motherly monster, and vagina based horror under the subtext of "returning to the womb". Not to mention all the bizarre cult rituals having to do with reincarnation. (Heather Mason).
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby TSaPA » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:06 pm

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TSaPA wrote:
So yeah, lots of good advice on the nature and sexuality (or lack thereof) of unbirth and how to effectively use it for horror, but just saying if you want to go the Lovecraftian/Eldritch Horror route where a major threat is a potential loss of self, you can have a lot of fun with using recontextualization, defamiliarization, misdirection, and infuriating lack of objectivity to let your audience follow the protag through a downward spiral of insanity and madness that comes with the genre.



Speaking of Lovecraft, Silent Hill is probably a good source of inspiration for the subject. In Silent Hill 4, the apartment basically represents the protags mother's womb. And Silent Hill homecoming had literal unbirth with his brother being put inside a mechanical spider woman to be reborn.

Heck I would actually love to read a Silent Hill unbirth fanfic about someone who is either sexually repressed, has a mother complex, or is suicidal. Any of those situations could lead to motherly monster, and vagina based horror under the subtext of "returning to the womb". Not to mention all the bizarre cult rituals having to do with reincarnation. (Heather Mason).


Oh yes, definitely seconding the Silent Hill franchise as a possible source of inspiration for this sort of thing.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby SecretBaboon » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:46 pm

I come bearing another idea for some unbirth horror! This time it’s a monster. It also has themes of transformation, painful transformation, upside down transformation, oral vore, body horror, vagina dentata, pregnancy, and identity death. Identity death is scary as hell to me, so this monster is one hell of a doozy. Still not sure what I should call it, but whatever.

What I have so far:

The cause is supernatural, a curse found by someone (likely female) who wandered too deep into a cave, past cave-in warnings and iron bars. Big mistake on their part.

Once it takes hold, it cannot be reversed, unless you shoot the resulting beast dead, that is.

The change is long, agonizing, and terrifying, and the last thing the person in question will ever experience. The person experiences about half of it before their brain and braincase detach from the rest of the head and slide back into the body, at which at that point the personality and memories are immediately erased. Also leaves the head looking far different than it did before. Definitely a lot flatter.

The resulting beast looks like someone merged the ends of two torsos together, chests facing the ground, and with a misshapen head on each side. The arms and legs look completely identical, the feet having become hands. The torsos are longer and larger than it would be if you just stuck two human torsos together, this is so that it’s function can be done. There’s only a ribcage on one of the torsos, the one containing the lungs and the majority of the other organs. The ribcage torso is slightly bigger than the other one. The body is rather flexible and can contort to all manner of horrifying shapes. Both heads have mouths, sensory organs, and long necks, their shapes mirroring each other. The heads look slightly different to one another though, one more fleshy and pink than the other. Both heads have teeth, one with exaggerated canine-like teeth and one with more sparse and blunt teeth. The canine-toothed head’s bottom jaw can split in half, while the blunt toothed head’s bottom jaw can stretch like crazy. The entire creature is smooth skinned and hairless, and not at all thin and frail looking.

The canine toothed head’s throat leads to the stomach, while the blunt toothed head’s throat leads to the womb. The blunt toothed head’s half of the body is rather stretchy to accommodate adult sized humans, become pregnant with them, and slowly change them to what it is. It can take on two to three children at a time, depending on how old/big they are, and only one full grown adult.

Both heads have a tongue, although the one that leads to the womb is very similar to a long, prehensile umbilical cord. It has an impressive reach, and drags you all the way down to the womb. It can’t actually act like an umbilical cord.

While the capacity of the canine-toothed head and stomach is impressive, the beast cannot swallow a person whole. A small enough animal is a different story.

It is capable of bipedal and quadrupedal locomotion, and can switch back and forth between which head is on top/at the front. The other head acts like a tail. It can run just below how fast Usain Bolt can, so it is possible to outrun it, but not likely.

Claws: Yes

It is very sneaky, quiet, and has great climbing skills. Watch your back in forests.

The senses are about the same as a human’s, just with catlike night vision. The eyes are pitch black

The brain and its housing is in the middle of the body, the two heads sharing the same brain. Decapitating both heads will not kill it right away. The brain is much smaller and in a special housing area between the spine and the organs, so it doesn’t get in the way much.

There is very, very little personality to this thing anymore, mostly instinct to breed and survive. So, an animal.

No the blunt toothed head doesn’t vomit up piss and shit, the anus has been relocated to the center of the body, inside a reptile like cloaca that will open up and spew out the waste.

No breasts, it doesn’t need to breastfeed their young.

Even though it’s a female-only species, it can have children of it’s own the “old fashioned way”, as the womb head can gulp down (human only) sperm and become pregnant that way. The gestation time is a normal human 9 months. As for how long unbirthed humans take to change, it’s about 5 months, children maybe slightly less.

Maturation time is the same as humans with this thing. If it unbirths a child it will be as far along maturity wise when it comes out. Same with teens and adults.

Once it has unbirthed someone, you can technically get them out, but it’s not gonna be easy. There’s about five minutes before the womb fills completely with fluid and the pregnancy starts, but past that time, you gotta kill the thing and cut them out, and it’s very likely that they’ll die from being incompletely changed if left for long enough.

Once pregnant, it won’t unbirth anyone else, and will withdraw and be careful so as to assure the best possible chance of the unborn being birthed. Switching orientation from one head to the other does nothing nothing to harm who they’re carrying.

Those who go through the unbirthing process don’t experience the pain of changing, only the initial one did.

Birthing and unbirthing are not sexually pleasurable activities for it, only in the “I’m surviving” way. It cannot orgasm (IE produce cum with lots of pleasure). Its womb mouth does “salivate” the same fluid, but it really is just that head’s saliva.

As it is an animal, it is capable of bonding with someone who treats it well, just not likely. The only problem with befriending one is that it is very likely to betray you and unbirth you later down the line. Or, if you’re lucky, just keep you as a sperm bank of sorts, if you can make sperm, that is.

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I’ll probably draw this thing out soon, as it has a horrifying image in my mind. And maybe I’ll make a story with it... eventually. Just gotta nail down what I’d call this monster.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby Tigermouse » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:38 pm

Trigger warning: I'm going to be talking about some real life horror. Not in any detail, and some of the worst bits I'm completely leaving out, but if you just don't want to deal with child abuse, rape or suicide today? Nobody will blame you.

So, I might have some real world experience with this subject? Or as close to it, as anyone can really experience.

Because I was too young for everything. And with the perspective of a very fundamentalist upbringing? Gods and demons seemed very real.

And very close.

And I felt even smaller than I was.

The real horror of it all wasn't the simple mechanics. It was the loss of control. The dream logic of a game built around rules and anatomy that I couldn't understand. Or stop.

And her curiosity about it all, too.

And her touch. And the way my body no longer seemed to belong to me at all.

It answered her every question, whether I wanted it to or not.

I didn't even know how to disassociate. I had to experience every moment.

If you can, imagine what a adult's body looks like to a scared little child. That's how your protagonist will feel when they're raped by a God. Or a demon. Or whatever label you give the rapist.

And make no mistake, the envelopment you're describing is a rape.

You can deny your monster any enjoyment, if that makes you more comfortable with the subject matter. You can keep your protagonist's reactions uncomplicated - horror and disgust can be reassuring, when tackling the topic. If you need it to be, his story could be as simple as any other bit of body horror.

Just with different body parts. And different substances.

And a bit of multiplication at the end.

And yet -

If you really want to be horrified? Consider how a fear of sexual pleasure, is at work in countries where women can be punished for being raped.

Isn't that why so much genital mutilation is centered on the outer clitoris?

Imagine what forms that fear of women's sexuality takes, in a community terrified of your monster.

Or consider how many rape victims, men and women, will kill themselves. Because nobody believed them, when they had the courage to speak up. Because they were all alone.

And even alone, they still felt violated.

Maybe it was because some people thought their pain was hilarious. Maybe they weren't ready to consent, before things happened anyways. Maybe that's their new normal?

Or maybe it was because someone wonderful loves a survivor who just can't feel anything, anymore. And disappointing that wonderful someone, was too much guilt to deal with...

Sexual pleasure doesn't make horror less horrifying. It just makes the horror harder to deal with.

It's why I didn't even try to tackle the topic of rape survivors who become hypersexual. Defusing all the potential landmines in that topic would take a book.

Anyways, back to the suicides, or delayed homicides, considering how much responsibility you assign to the rapist...think about how many of the people trying to kill themselves will fail at the suicide?

Imagine the horrifying memories they've still kept, while so many others were taken away by a bullet. Or pills and drink.

And they can't ever get them back.

I bring all these things up, because if you want people to be afraid of your story? Remember that the monster is just what allows you to explore the horror. It's why the best zombie movies are all really about the people watching them.

To me, the most horrifying thing I can imagine with your unbirthing question?

Is a victim so alone, so shunned by everyone they've ever loved - that they return to their rapist for the closest thing they can get to acceptance. And then, because there is no real affection returned, slowly, piece by piece, their mind breaks down from the isolation.

Just like you can find happening right now in solitary confinement all around the world.

No matter what form it takes.

Edit: Just make sure the reader has hope things get better, until the very end.

It'll hurt them more.
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Re: Unbirth horror?

Postby MindiFlyth » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:28 am

Idea 1: A woman (or, hell, anybody with a vagina, it's not exclusively women) contracts a disease or becomes cursed and finds herself at the mercy of her changing body's desires. Her womb hungers, and as time passes, her body is increasingly altered to sate that hunger whether she wants to or not. This could include all sorts of changes - simple flexibility and stretchiness, or full-on horror transformation, with grasping tentacles and a gaping maw where her vulva used to be. It's essentially themed around the horror of puberty and intense biological urges, and thereby avoids having a "villain" at all.

I just saw this post, and your idea (minus the tentacles/gaping maw) is actually remarkably close to my book The Unbirthing Curse! It's about a woman who is a busy, ambitious young executive, and she gets cursed to become a voracious unbirther. She struggles to fight her new cravings, her body becomes super sexy and voluptuous and when she seduces someone they get addled by her "mommy musk" so they can't resist her. She's never a villain, although when she's overcome with the urge to unbirth she loses control and does things she regrets later. I played it kind of like a werewolf story, where the protagonist is also the monster. It was lots of fun to write!
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