How do you identify with the participants in hard vore?

[dangerous]

Personally, I like a non-human predator and a human prey. I identify with the predator, just because... well yea the prey does not ever have much fun. Sometimes I think of what it would be like to be the prey though, just so I can appreciate the amount of pain I am causing.

Also, IMO, humans are like the perfect prey because they are not expecting to be hunted, they are rather helpless, are fully sentient, and generally never succumb to death (they try to stay alive as long a possible, even if dying would be a better fate).

[Eupeptic]

Time to update the stats again. :) (If this is like before, this will cause a small burst of additional responses.)

As of this post, the poll responses are as follows. [See Note 1 to my previous post in this thread.]

votes, percent, choice
13, 16%, With the predator, as an animal (non-human)
7, 8.8%, With the predator, as a human
13, 16%, With the prey, as an animal (non-human)
12, 15%, With the prey, as a human
17, 21%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey, but always as an animal (non-human)
6, 7.5%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey, but always as a human
12, 15%, I don't personally identify with the participants
n=80 sum=99.3%

On the pred-prey axis we have:
20, 25%, Predator
25, 31%, Prey
23, 29%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey
12, 15%, Don't personally identify
(sum=100%)

This one is still kind of inconclusive. "Predator" is less popular than "prey" but a lot of people go both ways. There has also been a rise in the "don't identify" percentage.

And on the human/animal axis, we have:
43, 54%, Animal
25, 31%, Human
12, 15%, Don't personally identify
(sum=100%)

Animal/non-human is still more popular than human, but again, there is a rise in "don't identify". If the "don't identify" option wasn't there, it's possible that the balance would be more even.

Eupeptic

[dangerous]

Notice how there is a much higher ratio of predator:prey in hard vore than in soft vore. Seems like most prey does not want to get itself torn to shreds, but many predators want to. Makes sense really.

[Eupeptic]

Notice how there is a much higher ratio of predator:prey in hard vore than in soft vore. Seems like most prey does not want to get itself torn to shreds, but many predators want to.

The way I read that, a "high ratio of predator:prey" means lots of predators, few prey. I don't know that this data supports that. Here's a recap of all the posts so far where I added up the then-current responses:

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By number of responses
       Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12
Pred    3       5       6      10      12      20
Prey    7       9      10      13      19      25
Mix     6       9      13      17      19      23
Don't   1       2       2       4       7      12
total  17      25      31      44      57      80

By percentage (to two significant figures)
       Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12
Pred    18%     20%     19%      23%     21%    25%
Prey    41%     36%     32%      30%     33%    31%
Mix     35%     36%     42%      29%     33%    29%
Don't    5.9%    8%      6.5%     9.1%   12%    15%
total   99.9%  100%     99.5%   101%     99%   100%

There have always been more "prey" responses than "pred", although the difference is narrowing over time.

Also, as I have noted, there is a relatively high amount of "both prey and pred" responses; usually enough to make the prey-pred balance look rather different than it does, if the "both prey and pred" option didn't exist and people had to choose either "prey" or "pred".

I also don't know if it's possible to compare directly with soft vore. I haven't asked exactly the same set of questions to a "soft vore" crowd. Some of the site-wide polls sort of talk about this, but there isn't one with the same set of questions.

In my opinion, a difference probably exists in the predator/prey balance between people who prefer soft vore and people who prefer hard vore. I'm just not confident enough to say exactly *what* the difference is.

Disclaimer: this poll is in no way "scientific"; I don't know if I have a representative sample and I don't know exactly who is in the population.

Eupeptic

[dangerous]

The way I read that, a "high ratio of predator:prey" means lots of predators, few prey. I don't know that this data supports that.

I was comparing this ratio to the ratio in soft vore. I can't find the exact link right now, but I recall a similar poll being conducted in the soft vore forum and finding that there was something amazing, like a 1:6 ratio of predator:prey. Here there is less than a 1:2 ratio of predator:prey.

It just makes sense to me why prey would typically prefer soft vore while preds would probably prefer hard. That is all I am saying.

[Eupeptic]

The way I read that, a "high ratio of predator:prey" means lots of predators, few prey. I don't know that this data supports that.

I can't find the exact link right now, but I recall a similar poll being conducted in the soft vore forum and finding that there was something amazing, like a 1:6 ratio of predator:prey. Here there is less than a 1:2 ratio of predator:prey.

Ah, OK. We are talking about the same thing; the terms are just a little confused. To me, a 1:6 pred:prey would be a low ratio of pred:prey (1/6=0.1667), but a high ratio of prey:pred (6/1=6). I just put the fraction or divide sign right where the colon is. (Well, maybe I stretch first.)

The "few preds, lots of prey" ratio doesn't really surprise me. Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have heard similar ratios proposed for other types of kink, and I think hard vore is similar.

Eupeptic

[dangerous]

Yea that whole high:low madness was my fault :S

The "few preds, lots of prey" ratio doesn't really surprise me.

While it does not surprise me (I see way more prey than pred on the forum) it does confuse me. Seems to me that more people would be into having the power of a pred rather than the characteristics of prey. But that is probably because I myself enjoy being the pred

[yummyyoungnorski]

Always prey, always human, and sometimes I imagine my predator keeping souvenirs of me like my sandals, my shorts and my shirt and hanging them up in a collection, and maybe sometimes giving them a lick or a sniff when they feel lonely.

[Togami]

Hard vore is the only kind I can see myself as a predator. But at the same time, it's appealing to me as a prey as well.

[Eupeptic]

Time to [strike]nerd out[/strike] update the stats again. :)

As of this post, the poll responses are as follows. [See Note 1 to my previous post in this thread.]

votes, percent, choice
15, 16%, With the predator, as an animal (non-human)
8, 8.3%, With the predator, as a human
14, 15%, With the prey, as an animal (non-human)
18, 19%, With the prey, as a human
19, 20%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey, but always as an animal (non-human)
9, 9.3%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey, but always as a human
13, 14%, I don't personally identify with the participants
n=96 sum=101.6%

On the pred-prey axis we have:
23, 24%, Predator
32, 33%, Prey
28, 29%, Sometimes predator, sometimes prey
13, 14%, Don't personally identify
(sum=100%)

This one is still kind of inconclusive. "Predator" is less popular than "prey" but a lot of people go both ways. "Don't identify" is about the same as last time.

And on the human/animal axis, we have:
48, 50%, Animal
35, 36%, Human
13, 14%, Don't personally identify
(sum=100%)

Animal/non-human is still more popular than human.

Here's the trends...

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Pred/prey, by number of responses
       Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12  Aug 13
Pred    3       5       6      10      12      20      23
Prey    7       9      10      13      19      25      32
Mix     6       9      13      17      19      23      28
Don't   1       2       2       4       7      12      13
total  17      25      31      44      57      80      96

Pred/prey, by percentage (to two significant figures)
       Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12  Aug 13
Pred    18%     20%     19%      23%     21%    25%     24%
Prey    41%     36%     32%      30%     33%    31%     33%
Mix     35%     36%     42%      29%     33%    29%     29%
Don't    5.9%    8%      6.5%     9.1%   12%    15%     14%
total   99.9%  100%     99.5%   101%     99%   100%    100%


Animal/human, by number of responses
        Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12  Aug 13
Animal  10      16      19      28      35      43      48
Human    6       7      10      12      15      25      35
Don't    1       2       2       4       7      12      13
total   17      25      31      44      57      80      96

Animal/human, by percentage (to two significant figures)
        Nov 07  Dec 07  Dec 07  Sep 08  Nov 10  Mar 12  Aug 13
Animal   59%     64%     61%     64%     61%     54%    50%
Human    35%     28%     32%     27%     26%     31%    36%
Don't     5.8%    8.0%    6.5%    9.0%   12%     15%    14%
total    99.8%  100%     99.5%  100%     99%    100%   100%


Prey started out rather more popular than pred, but it's gotten closer over time. Animal has always been more popular than human, but again, the gap is narrowing over time.

Eupeptic