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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby knifesmile » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:07 pm

I'm not sure I'd call them a troll. Just someone who's reasoning from their emotions rather than their intellect. Which isn't necessarily bad, per se; it's just one-sided and, in this context, can be dangerous. Emotional thinking unbalanced by reason is how humans make a lot of mistakes.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby coop500 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:25 pm

Wow, I thought this was a dead topic now and look what happened in the span of a handful of hours....
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby killermeow » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:48 pm

Theres a HUGE fucking difference between a depiction of a kid in a belly and real life porn of a kid photomanipped into a belly. Don't try to treat it like it's something that it isn't. If you wanted to take down Eka's for children in vorish situations confined to a hidden forum that you need to be a member to access, you'd also have to take down FA, DA, and every other art site for having young characters getting eaten. THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE IN THE SLIGHTEST. THIS IS A FANTASY, THE LAW HAS NO BASIS FOR FANTASY. If some asshole was going around making child porn of real kids and posting it, we'd have a problem. If somebody was using real kids likenesses to create porn, we'd have a problem. Last I checked, we don't have an asshole bringing real life into the underage section, so why are you freaking out about it? Ignore it and move on, there's no basis to take down the site based on that section, and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby Humbug » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:51 pm

This sort of thing pops up every so often on this website. It's a legitimate concern, but given the nature of the website, I'm pretty sure Eka and the other admins have figured out where the line is and not crossed it.

I could argue with the rest of the complaints made by Neko, and it'd be an amazing argument, but come on! It's just common sense why they're wrong. And when has common sense backed up by zero evidence and data ever been wrong?
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby scottypilgrim » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:53 pm

Last I checked drawings and fictional characters don't have ages. The people I roleplay with don't exist and don't actually have rights to protect or are damaged in anyway. They aren't real and neither are drawings. They don't have a birth nor a birth certificate. If it remains Fantasy then I don't see how it's any worse or any better than any other fantasy on this website.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby mojo-2131285 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:08 pm

Honestly, if anything here is illegal in a major jurisdiction, like the US or the UK, it ought to be removed immediately. Otherwise, I'll just ignore it. That's really the only debate we should be having. I think Eka actually looked into it a while ago, and there isn't anything illegal about anything on the site.

I'm not even sure that most things on here would count as a "sexual situation" anyway, at least in a legal sense, since the idea behind a paraphilia is that you enjoy something normally not associated with sex.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby NerdyNeko » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:49 pm

Wow all the diffrence a nights sleep makes, look im just gonna cool this hot mess right down now. I guess my moral compass is just a little more highly tuned than others. I was mearly expressing my own worries and concerns on here, Im never the man to sit in silece over such moraly grey areas. So yeah in gonna make this my last post, I dont need to waste my time on this and I'm sure a lot of you guys would agree with that :-)

Even though I still think this is wrong, im going to back down, Ill let time be my witness on this one. But its nice to see so many of you lending your voice on this clearly voitial topic

However there is just one comment I cant let slip by without scoldering:

scottypilgrim wrote:Don't respond to the troll, no logic applies to them. Even just making this post was probably too much for me. Good work "nerdyneko" you got a small bite from me.


This is the most pathetic thing I have read on this whole debate, yet I see it appearing more and more. Its become the lazy persons Trump card, what better way to win a agrumemt than to call the person your debating with a troll, i can only shudder at the thought of how many good people have been shut down due to brain dead comments like this...

Just because my view point is diffrent from yours, and im willing to defend and discuss it, doesnt make me a troll. Scotty if you have nothing clever to say then atlest advoid making such a pointless and destructive comment.

Im sorry but people like this really upset me, im here defending my words yet i have to put up with that bs...

So yeah like I said *washes hands* Im just about done here, sorry if i ruffeled any feathers Im just expessing my worries freely, I didnt expect it to blow up like it did...

oh! And scotty if you ever want lessons in how tp debate and/or detect real trolls please shoot me a pm, Id happly give you a hand to advoid this kind of mistake repeating itself
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby killermeow » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:18 pm

Let's put it this way: If the general public counted vore with kids as child porn, HUNDREDS of childrens shows would have been shut down years ago. There are so many endo episodes in so many shows that a few of those companies may have gone under if what you're arguing was true. Next time you want to argue semantics, use some common sense- it's never been considered child porn unless it involves real people, the posters at Eka's knows not to pull that crap and would report anyone who DID in an instant. IDFC what your 'Moral Compass' says, you're looking at what the section is then arguing against it as if it actually DOES have child porn everywhere in it, rather then looking at the content and then making a judgement call. You don't like it? I don't like Cockvore, doesn't mean I have to go out of my way to delve into that section and then make a post why it shouldn't exist. Let this go for anyone else in the future looking at this topic as well- just because a forum is hidden from guests, doesn't immediately mean it's the Deep Web and illegal as all hell.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby scottypilgrim » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:52 am

NerdyNeko wrote:Wow all the diffrence a nights sleep makes, look im just gonna cool this hot mess right down now. I guess my moral compass is just a little more highly tuned than others. I was mearly expressing my own worries and concerns on here, Im never the man to sit in silece over such moraly grey areas. So yeah in gonna make this my last post, I dont need to waste my time on this and I'm sure a lot of you guys would agree with that :-)

Even though I still think this is wrong, im going to back down, Ill let time be my witness on this one. But its nice to see so many of you lending your voice on this clearly voitial topic

However there is just one comment I cant let slip by without scoldering:

scottypilgrim wrote:Don't respond to the troll, no logic applies to them. Even just making this post was probably too much for me. Good work "nerdyneko" you got a small bite from me.


This is the most pathetic thing I have read on this whole debate, yet I see it appearing more and more. Its become the lazy persons Trump card, what better way to win a agrumemt than to call the person your debating with a troll, i can only shudder at the thought of how many good people have been shut down due to brain dead comments like this...

Just because my view point is diffrent from yours, and im willing to defend and discuss it, doesnt make me a troll. Scotty if you have nothing clever to say then atlest advoid making such a pointless and destructive comment.

Im sorry but people like this really upset me, im here defending my words yet i have to put up with that bs...

So yeah like I said *washes hands* Im just about done here, sorry if i ruffeled any feathers Im just expessing my worries freely, I didnt expect it to blow up like it did...

oh! And scotty if you ever want lessons in how tp debate and/or detect real trolls please shoot me a pm, Id happly give you a hand to advoid this kind of mistake repeating itself


Before I take any lessons from you I'd advise you to take a couple lessons in proper spelling and the like.I seriously hope English isn't your first language. Regardless keep your moral compass to your self. No one needs a fetish shamer on a fetish site. As if your defense of "I have good arguments but don't want to use them" is any better than mine. You hardly said anything other than " I don't like what you like because I'm better than you" Thanks for the interesting and well thought out opinion.

Also while I'm on it. If you can't differentiate reality from fantasy maybe you have the problem. I don't understand how literal killing in fantasy is somehow okay but once you involve fake children now it's gone to far. As if murder is totally fine in fantasy but underage is not. Why is that line there? who are you protecting? What are you preventing? Can you actually make a whole thought without saying "oh well It's not worth the time teehee!" you might as well just say trolololo. You already necro'd an ancient thread just to shit on people's fetishes. Just how aren't you a troll. I mean there is always that likely chance you're just to naive to form a proper thought and can't think beyond fantasy. Maybe I just feel better to pretend there aren't people out there witch hunting what I can and can't get off to for no reason at all. Once you teach me the overall danger/problems with my fantasies maybe I'll back down and agree with you. You have to present real thought or studies for me though. Just because I fap to vore doesn't mean I'm trying to eat people and just because I play murderous video games doesn't mean I kill people. All this logic applies and honestly I don't know why I need it. Is it wrong that I tinker with a character that exists only in my mind? Their age entirely at my discretion? Explain to me why we must protect that fake being and why their rights trump mine when I invented them and I'm actually real and they are not. If you can present me some logic to your standpoint then please proceed otherwise you're a 10/10 troll.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby knifesmile » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:28 am

I still don't agree that Neko is a troll, but then again, my definition of a troll is different, I guess. I don't think they're doing this intentionally just to upset people and cause problems 'for the lulz'. I think their offense and emotions are genuine, even if their reaction is misguided and their logic/debate skills are lacking. I will say, though, that it's disappointing that Neko is apparently unable or unwilling to express their opinions without being condescending toward others. Neko, your "moral compass" is no more strongly tuned than mine. In fact, I could argue that mine is more sensitive than yours because I'm actually considering the long term consequences of my opinions and decisions, whereas you continue to debate from a position of assumed superiority without offering any supporting reasons for your views. As such, your moral compass would, in fact, seem to be more or less inactive. You couldn't care less that your logic essentially criminalizes two-thirds of Eka's users. As Scottypilgrim says, and as I said before, why is it wrong to fantasize about underaged fictional characters, but OK to fantasize about acts that amount to murder? You have repeatedly ignored that question, and I suspect it's because you have no good answer for it.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby mojo-2131285 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:46 am

scottypilgrim wrote:
NerdyNeko wrote:Wow all the diffrence a nights sleep makes, look im just gonna cool this hot mess right down now. I guess my moral compass is just a little more highly tuned than others. I was mearly expressing my own worries and concerns on here, Im never the man to sit in silece over such moraly grey areas. So yeah in gonna make this my last post, I dont need to waste my time on this and I'm sure a lot of you guys would agree with that :-)

Even though I still think this is wrong, im going to back down, Ill let time be my witness on this one. But its nice to see so many of you lending your voice on this clearly voitial topic

However there is just one comment I cant let slip by without scoldering:

scottypilgrim wrote:Don't respond to the troll, no logic applies to them. Even just making this post was probably too much for me. Good work "nerdyneko" you got a small bite from me.


This is the most pathetic thing I have read on this whole debate, yet I see it appearing more and more. Its become the lazy persons Trump card, what better way to win a agrumemt than to call the person your debating with a troll, i can only shudder at the thought of how many good people have been shut down due to brain dead comments like this...

Just because my view point is diffrent from yours, and im willing to defend and discuss it, doesnt make me a troll. Scotty if you have nothing clever to say then atlest advoid making such a pointless and destructive comment.

Im sorry but people like this really upset me, im here defending my words yet i have to put up with that bs...

So yeah like I said *washes hands* Im just about done here, sorry if i ruffeled any feathers Im just expessing my worries freely, I didnt expect it to blow up like it did...

oh! And scotty if you ever want lessons in how tp debate and/or detect real trolls please shoot me a pm, Id happly give you a hand to advoid this kind of mistake repeating itself


Before I take any lessons from you I'd advise you to take a couple lessons in proper spelling and the like.I seriously hope English isn't your first language. Regardless keep your moral compass to your self. No one needs a fetish shamer on a fetish site. As if your defense of "I have good arguments but don't want to use them" is any better than mine. You hardly said anything other than " I don't like what you like because I'm better than you" Thanks for the interesting and well thought out opinion.

Also while I'm on it. If you can't differentiate reality from fantasy maybe you have the problem. I don't understand how literal killing in fantasy is somehow okay but once you involve fake children now it's gone to far. As if murder is totally fine in fantasy but underage is not. Why is that line there? who are you protecting? What are you preventing? Can you actually make a whole thought without saying "oh well It's not worth the time teehee!" you might as well just say trolololo. You already necro'd an ancient thread just to shit on people's fetishes. Just how aren't you a troll. I mean there is always that likely chance you're just to naive to form a proper thought and can't think beyond fantasy. Maybe I just feel better to pretend there aren't people out there witch hunting what I can and can't get off to for no reason at all. Once you teach me the overall danger/problems with my fantasies maybe I'll back down and agree with you. You have to present real thought or studies for me though. Just because I fap to vore doesn't mean I'm trying to eat people and just because I play murderous video games doesn't mean I kill people. All this logic applies and honestly I don't know why I need it. Is it wrong that I tinker with a character that exists only in my mind? Their age entirely at my discretion? Explain to me why we must protect that fake being and why their rights trump mine when I invented them and I'm actually real and they are not. If you can present me some logic to your standpoint then please proceed otherwise you're a 10/10 troll.


I think he's just an asshole, not a troll.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby NerdyNeko » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:32 pm

Wow 10 hours and I come back to this, I think its time to clear the air a little bit. I was going to make a whole long thing going though all your posts and addressing you one by one.... but I don't feel like the idea of picking any fights, so I think a blanket effect is required to cool this all off, I think we all have had enough of the flame wars for one day :-)

So two things I want to cover:

1) I will admit I was a little fork tonged to a lot of you, I know I could have handled it a lot better than I did, I think part of me was just shocked at the time. I didn't think (at the time) I would have to try to explain why underaged images on a fetish site was kinda wrong, then only to face a whole load of you defending the matter, usually I would just log out and think on it but yeah "one man army" syndrome kinda kicked in. Like I said I have a friend who's a victim, so this whole underage stuff can hit harder to home than it should do sometimes, I know I need to work on this cos its a major personality flaw of mine... None of us are perfect, I just hope some of you can forgive me for this :-)

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2) I spent all day wondering on this topic and I think I have condensed it to 2 simple questions, oddly the first ones that popped into my head the moment I first saw this underaged group thing. So to try to counter balance my dickendish ways last night, I'm going to just step back and hear what you all have to say about it, keeping all my bias at the door. If any of you are able to give me a decent answer to these questions of mine, I will happly admit I was wrong about it all and issue you all full apologies for my apparent ignorance on the matter. But till then though I'm sorry for how abrasive I was to you all last night but I will still be standing on my the points I made last night... so the questions I have to ask are:

"How can underaged content safely fit into something as adult as a fetish?"

"With a large number of fetishes being sexually driven by a decent number of people who partake in it, how can adding kids into it (real or not) be a good thing?"

Anyways I look forward to hearing what you lot have to say on it, and once again sorry for my outburst last night :-D

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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby coop500 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Being a softy fan of underage vore, I will try to answer your two questions the best I can, but also know that vore isn't a fetish for me, it's a interest, so my answers in no way are meant to count for the whole community.

#1 To me as long as the adult, in my case who is the predator, does not treat the situation sexually, then I don't see how it really is inappropriate since nothing sexual is actually happening. The act of devouring another being isn't sexual by itself, only when sexual elements are thrown in. This goes even more when the child isn't harmed and released safely afterwards. I hope that answers it.... ^^;

#2 I think calling it a good thing is a stretch, but I don't see normal vore as a good thing either, it just is a way we entertain each other. But I think the answer above kind of applies to this too.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby scottypilgrim » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:54 pm

"How can underaged content safely fit into something as adult as a fetish?"

Because underaged fantasy is no more or no less volatile than any other fantasy. Why is there this stigma that if fantasy involves children it HAS to be linked to real life? Why is murder and out right torture fine in an adult setting? Why do they get a free pass? It's literally the same thing but just because the other niche isn't yours you try to condemn it and pretend everyone who enjoys it is a pedophile rapist.

"With a large number of fetishes being sexually driven by a decent number of people who partake in it, how can adding kids into it (real or not) be a good thing?"
Why is it a bad thing? Again you tell me why it's okay when adults are tortured digested and murdered but once fake kids are involved it's suddenly grotesque and realistic. Why are you here telling me what I can and can't enjoy? If it's all just fantasy then who or what am I harming?
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby coop500 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:00 pm

scottypilgrim wrote:"How can underaged content safely fit into something as adult as a fetish?"

Because underaged fantasy is no more or no less volatile than any other fantasy. Why is there this stigma that if fantasy involves children it HAS to be linked to real life? Why is murder and out right torture fine in an adult setting? Why do they get a free pass? It's literally the same thing but just because the other niche isn't yours you try to condemn it and pretend everyone who enjoys it is a pedophile rapist.

"With a large number of fetishes being sexually driven by a decent number of people who partake in it, how can adding kids into it (real or not) be a good thing?"
Why is it a bad thing? Again you tell me why it's okay when adults are tortured digested and murdered but once fake kids are involved it's suddenly grotesque and realistic. Why are you here telling me what I can and can't enjoy? If it's all just fantasy then who or what am I harming? Why are you out here trying to tell me what I can and can't enjoy.


I admit it is a bit tiring to be called a pedo by people who are just as or even more guilty of dark fantasies. And I don't even like vore in a sexual way yet it still happens!

I responded as nicely as I could to keep drama down but I fully understand your treatment of it. All I can say is I hope we all can settle this peacefully sometime.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby Thagrahn » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:00 pm

To Nerdy,

Vore has a horror side as well as a sexual kink.

When focusing on the horror side of things, what can up the anty more then placing children in danger. Think about how twisted a person would need to be to openly target those that are considered underage and helpless.

On the flop side, having the deranged pred BE a child sends chills down the spine as it leave you thinking how could that child have gotten messed up that fast.

((People get a trill out of jumping out of perfectly safe airplanes and trusting their lives to a parachute, watch horror movies in the dark, and Other things for strange thrills that are morally questionable and dangerous.))
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby Artemis » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:52 pm

NerdyNeko wrote:"How can underaged content safely fit into something as adult as a fetish?"


Well, there's two fundamental misunderstandings at play here:
  • For starters, vore is no more fundamentally sexual than your feet. People fetishize those too, doesn't mean Tom and Jerry is getting banned for having scenes with exposed feet. It's also not being banned for having scenes where Tom eats someone for that matter. You can't just compare everything everyone gets off with to pornography, because if you did literally everything would be banned. Some people draw vore with fully dressed characters. They're not touching themselves. Is that sexual because someone gets off to it? People probably get off to those Tom and Jerry scenes too. Is that sexual too? You see the leap in logic here?
  • You know how we come here to fantasize about eating people, but if we did that in real life there would be a manhunt for us? And y'know how that's okay, because it's strictly fantasy and no real people are harmed? It's the same thing with underage vore. A drawing of an underage character with a round belly is just a piece of paper depicting something that doesn't exist. It's not "a child", just a lifeless drawing whose non-existant life has no value. Now, drawings and photomanipulations of real people are an entirely different story. I do not believe the underage board actually tolerates that, because unlike fictional characters, real children can be harmed and nobody wants that.

NerdyNeko wrote:"With a large number of fetishes being sexually driven by a decent number of people who partake in it, how can adding kids into it (real or not) be a good thing"


I don't know what to tell you, man. If you've ever been familiar with DeviantArt's vore community, you'd know that vore is actually pretty popular with the kids, even if we do try to keep them off Aryion specifically. I kinda hate being around them myself because they're really immature and they do dumb shit, but y'know. They do exist and you can't just repress them out of existence.

As for why putting underage characters in vore could be a "good" thing, it's only good in the sense that trying to figure out fictional characters ages is bullshit and an enormous hassle for everyone involved. Everyone in anime looks immensely older than the writers insist they totally are (Sailor Moon is totally 14!) and it's just... It's just a bunch of bullshit, dude. I swear some of these people forget what teenagers look like. It's not really a bad thing either though, because as mentioned before these characters aren't real and therefore no one is harmed by their misrepresentation.
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Re: Underage forum now requires group membership

Postby Mamerui » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:59 pm

The big thing I think you're missing here is that fantasy is very separate from reality for most mentally-sound individuals. Yes, bad things happen. There are people that try to enact vore in real life. But that is not anything that this website condones. Cannibalism exists, does that mean that we should stop using this website all together because there are people that actually and legitimately EAT HUMANS ALIVE? No. You're still here with your kinks and fetishes living it up and enjoying vore.

So before you go to kinkshame somebody else, I think you should just accept that people like things that you don't like and move on because as many gripes as you feel you have about UA FANTASY characters being involved in FANTASY that may or may not be sexual for any given individual, these same arguments can be turned back to you for having the general fantasy to begin with.

I'm not saying you need to like it, or that anybody else has to like it. But calling other people paedophiles or likening them to sexual predators/child molesters because they like to see specific characters involved in vorish scenarios is kinkshaming.

I am perfectly fine with people not wanting to involve UA characters in vore scenarios, however it is a FANTASY. And, in case you didn't know, looking at DRAWINGS of under-aged characters being eaten/eating others is definitely nowhere in comparison to actually going out and harming children, just the same as looking at drawings of people being eaten isn't the same as going out and eating somebody, or looking at drawings of nonconsensual sex is not the same as raping somebody, or just the same as looking at drawings of people getting tortured/murdered is not the same thing as torturing/murdering people.

People like you always say stuff like "oh there are people that actually experience _____!!!" But it's so very different. I am not a paedophile. I have no actual interest in children. That being said, I have a number of characters under the "legal age of consent" (which varies in many places; a lot of countries don't even have one) that I like to see in vorish situations. I'm not going to go out and try to eat an actual child, and I abhor the actual sexualisation of children and it's extremely insensitive and rude of you to assume and try to convince others that I am one way because of a particular aspect of my kinks.

Ideas and drawings aren't bad. Kinkshaming people and making them feel horrible for what they like when you, yourself, are into some pretty sketchy shit (yeah. Vore is actually disgusting as fuck if you think about it. Something something "let he who is without weird fucking kinks cast the first stone").

I would also like to point out that fetishes aren't always inherently sexual. I know a LOT of people on this website that really like vore and it isn't a sexual thing for them.

Long story short? So long as nobody is ACTUALLY being harmed, let people like what they fucking like and move on with your life.
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