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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby GrayLotus » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:56 am

Wow, I'm late! That's what I get for not checking the thread for a few days. Apologies for that, but I'm here now.

Well, you were definitely serious about it being dark. I think it was a good choice to keep what happened to allusion and implication. It's a pretty sensitive topic even in this kind of context, but I think it was handled well. It got the message across about how bad it was and the scars it left without becoming gratuitous or sensationalist.

Thoughts on Heather specifically? Consider me invested in her. I did catch the similarities between her and Jane. They both went through similar experiences of long-term abuse by someone they thought they would be safe with, they both were badly warped and scarred by the abuse and resorted to attacking others as a means of processing it. There are still differences, Heather's abuse was... less severe is inaccurate and unfair to both of them, but at least over a shorter timeframe and involved less broken trust, and Heather has a stronger and much more closely involved support network to help mitigate the ongoing effects. Plus, no Awakening means Heather didn't have that avenue of destructive behaviour and mindset that Jane ended up going with. I did find it notable that Heather was specifically thinking of 'revealing' Jacob to be scum in terms of protecting Hazel from him. That she still loves Hazel and wants to protect her from being hurt like she was (regardless of how genuine the actual danger really was) is an important factor in my liking her. It shows that even with her previous and current efforts at organising bullies against others, she's still genuinely concerned with the wellbeing of people close to her, which is much more than can be said about Jane.

My opinion on Rowan has fallen a few notches. The more we see of him, the more I see him as pretty emotionally oblivious and thus prone to being quite insensitive when it comes to how others are feeling and what they would prefer him to do. Making that joke about Heather and Regis given that he knows her history was a pretty bad move. Like, come on man! You should know better!

[Jane, please... keep her away from me!] - Besides what was said by others, Liz is coming here in her full Queen persona to 'hold court'. I think she'd be very concerned with keeping up appearances in front of Jane and the others and not showing weakness in public by freaking out or openly admitting that something's wrong. Given that she will be thrown off by seeing Heather, that's even more reason for her to double down and focus on publicly remaining calm and controlled while privately telling her friend to discretely run interference. The more openly confrontational options don't seem like they would fit her character to me, not when she's making this an official visit as a personal favour. I do agree with the point that Jane has the potential to still screw this up for herself by trying to use Heather to get more influence over Liz when she doesn't understand the context of their history.

[He notices, and makes comments on it... but can't figure out why and Liz denies everything firmly, but not convincingly.] - Jacob's been improving his social perception, but he's still not good enough to completely figure out why Liz is disturbed, especially while she's trying to conceal it. As to whether he comments about it or stays quiet, I'm not strongly decided. I can see him commenting about it to try and better understand what she's thinking and gauge how well things are progressing, but there's also a good argument that he wouldn't want to risk prodding her on a potentially sensitive subject and risk getting her angry. I'll go with this one since it'll let Jacob think about her response to this, and seeing how Liz responds internally and externally to her crush picking up on something she's upset by and actively trying to conceal.
It would be an amusing combination if Liz was openly confrontational about Heather being there and Jacob still couldn't notice it/figure out why. I can't imagine that would improve Hazel or Heather's opinion of him.

[Take control the situation... remind Lizzie who's always been in charge.] - From how Heather's been characterised, I don't see her taking a passive approach in trying to avoid Liz, so a more active approach is the go. She's still operating a collection of bullies to protect herself from other students, so I see her taking this option to protect herself. Her taking the initiative and trying to control this encounter before Liz can get comfortable and decide how to properly respond would fit. I can see Heather being scared enough to go for maximum aggression, but I think she's more likely to be a bit restrained due to the risk of getting Liz to snap again like she did on her Awakening.

[She's Elizabeth's worst nightmare. Sometimes the Queen will wake in the night remembering what Heather did to her in cold sweats.] - Agreeing with what others have said here, and I'll also throw in that Heather's really the last true reminder of how helpless and weak Elizabeth felt pre-Awakening. She made sure to eat all of her other tormentors before she transferred to try and close that part of her life permanently, but Heather escaped that due to outside circumstances. Knowing that Heather survived and was still out there, currently beyond her reach at that, would likely have been eating at her in the background (no pun intended). Having the knowledge that the main architect of her suffering could show up and hurt her all over again at any time. With how intensely Elizabeth has worked to get and maintain her current power, I would expect her to still be thinking about the one part of her past vulnerability she wasn't able to deal with.

phoneuser1992 wrote:You can ask Jennifer when we reset if you want. I'm not going to answer this.

Just picturing that scenario made me laugh. "Hey Jennifer! I know I just ate you and you're a bit distracted, but do you mind if I ask you a few questions about your brother?" "WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ASK RIGHT NOW!?" More seriously, Jennifer's the only one still around (not currently, but you know) who would know, but asking her at the time would be very awkward to try and broach. Maybe if it can fit in or I'm feeling very very curious at the time.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:01 am

Alright then gang. The votes are in, and I've taken your feedback to heart. I love hearing what you all though, it is a big encouragement and I'm glad I managed to get across the scenes I had in mind without drastically ruining the level of enjoyment in the story. I got a little over excited and forgot we've got to actually get everyone to the cheerleading field for tryouts with the Queen and Jacob watching before like... anything would be relevant, but I figured out a decent way to make the votes I got work into lead up. VOTING IS CLOSED.

<She's Elizabeth's worst nightmare. Sometimes the Queen will wake in the night remembering what Heather did to her in cold sweats.> - How better to show this then to have the Queen literally wake up in the middle of the night? This'll obviously be the first scene for the section lol. We'll get an idea what sort of juice she's got as she works a few hits of Instant Digestion in before she can calm nearly enough to return to sleep, and get a close up to how Heather went about leaving scars on her own victim.

<Take control the situation... remind Lizzie who's always been in charge.> - We'll look into Heather's prep work. She is absolutely among the people that know that showing up ready allows you to control things, whereas being a step behind results in being forced to react... and once you're reacting you've already lost control.

<He notices, and makes comments on it... but can't figure out why and Liz denies everything firmly, but not convincingly.> - I think I've got a way to delay Jane and Heather's arrival enough that Jacob and the Queen are set up and chatting when the other two, the last arrivals, show up together... providing a measure of ambiguity for Jacob to convincingly wonder if it's Jane that has Liz scared after all. Certainly, if someone Jacob knows is capable of scaring a far more powerful Pred, JANE could and that can easily draw off his suspicion.

<Jane, please... keep her away from me!> - This ought to fit nicely into the Queen's thoughts as we'll be in her head while having that discussion with Jacob, and we can leave things off before we find out if Jane's going to take a second shot at her foot with regard to Heather or if she's paying enough attention to realize that it's not wise to play with fire unless you know exactly what you're doing. Which, with Jane's sheer arrogance, would mean 'use later' not 'never try to use'... but the general idea is to kill Jane off before later so that wouldn't/shouldn't matter to us.

I probably won't finish the section today, but I'm going to get some writing done today. I'm trying to make my way back to a solid weekly schedule now, but we'll have to see how that goes before firm commitments are made.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby rotta287 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:20 am

Fell out of reading this during the great rewrite, just caught up now. Looking forward to more of this, this is good stuff.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:11 am

<She's Elizabeth's worst nightmare. Sometimes the Queen will wake in the night remembering what Heather did to her in cold sweats.>

Elizabeth woke with a shiver, her iron will stifling the scream she'd been letting voice to in the nightmare. She knew the moment that she was awake that it had only been another dream, and she dreaded her grandmother's reaction if she woke her in the dead of night screaming again. It had been poorly tolerated before she'd started High School, but in recent times it was asking for a multi hour long lecture how she should be over what a pathetic prey girl did to her years ago. She even agreed... with all the ways that Elizabeth had proven she'd grown, it didn't make sense for her to still be struggling with her fear of that girl. It was ridiculous that the Queen would wake screaming for protection from a boy that she hadn't seen face to face in years.

But it happened 2 or 3 times every month anyways.

>The Queen is using Instant Digestion to vent her self directed anger and reassure her fears at the same time with her might.<
>The Queen rolls 18+6+11+5+3+3 in total after accounting for her 2d20 Dice Code, the extra 2d20 on the first roll from Instant Digestion and the extra roll she gains for exceeding 35 on her first roll. Adding to the rolled value her 10 Static, the Queen gets a total of 58 out of 40 needed for a crit. The Queen will deal an extra 10+4=14 damage, which will be increased further by her significant Digestion Power.<
>The Queen deals 121 damage to her prey, which the vulnerability of her 6 Fullness prey increases to 128 damage. This includes her critical damage. All of this damage will benefit from the Queen's deadly Digestion Power.<
>Gaining .01 Digestion Power for every 5 levels, added as a total, in Strength, Charm and Prey, the Queen has 1.05 as the weakest wing of her Digestion Power multiplier.<
>Gaining .05 Digestion Power in a second stand alone multiplier for every 5 levels, added as a total, in Pred and Gluttony, the Queen has 1.15 as the second portion of her Digestion Power multiplier.<
>Gaining .2 Digestion Power in the final multiplier for every 5 levels in Digestion, the Queen has 1.2 as the most powerful branch of her Digestion Power multiplier.<
>In total, the Queen's Digestion Power = 1.449, increasing her damage by almost 50%. The Queen will deal 185 damage instead of 128.<

Bracing herself, Elizabeth pulped down on what was left of Pearl. The older Pred was the only thing left in her gut, Jeffory long since mulched and Pearl's prey had followed as Elizabeth had been going to bed. 'I kinda wish you'd given me an option... you were one of the least annoying Dancers at that stupid job when you weren't covering your brother's ass.' Elizabeth thought, trying to get her mind of the nightmare. Avoiding it was more profitable then locking horns with something she couldn't change. Elizabeth held up better when she didn't think about Sophia's boss then she did when she tried to confront the memories. And when Elizabeth held up better, less people at school went to her ass, which she briefly worried was looking too big again. Elizabeth dug at her panties, which had fit perfectly just a week ago and were now buried in a couple inches more fatty girth then they'd been designed for.

Cursing, Elizabeth got up from her bed to check her drawers. She kept pants, skirts, leggings, panties and other such items in a few sizes to... anticipate... this kind of result from an over indulgence as well as to leave herself open a target for dieting. No luck, she was already wearing one of the largest size she had on hand.

>The Queen fails to score a crit, a Natural 1 cancelling her right to roll again and stopping her at 38.<
>The Queen deals 159 damage after calculating all effects.<

It took Elizabeth a few moments to calm down. She didn't like the idea of meeting up with Jacob wearing something that would be tight, or worse skin tight, around her ass. Jane was always assuring her that she'd misjudged and Jacob would love a nice, big butt like hers... but Elizabeth had trouble making herself believe it. She'd watched who Jacob's eyes would follow, and it wasn't the girl with the biggest butt. Maybe his taste had changed... maybe the pictures she'd occasionally sent through Jane had changed his preferences because of how deeply he loved her. Elizabeth had read stories where something like that happened if the male lead loved the heroine enough. A deep part of her knew that she was only dwelling on the likelihood that Jacob would have been better pleased with a far more balanced figure because even that insecurity was better than remembering the nightmare that had woke her.

"You have to pick Lizzie dear." The dreadful apparition taunted. "Will you let us video your masturbation, or should I tell the gay boy on the football team how much Jacob would love to get to know him quite intimately? You can trust us Lizzie... it's just us girls here. We wouldn't post it online without making sure you are... picking that outcome."

It wasn't a memory of something that had actually happened... but it was perfectly in line with what the dreadful mistress had so often done. The worst thing Elizabeth ever heard in Middle School was either Sophia's standard invitation to come see the boss, or the succubus's reassurance that it was fine to do the most HUMILIATING things imaginable. They were in the same vein with each other. "Let's talk, just us girls." "It's just us girls here." The summons and the demand framed as reassurance, either one made Elizabeth shiver to this day. It had driven her to cling to Jacob even harder, as his mere presence was enough to keep her away. She only came out to play when the boys were all sent away and it was "just us girls." Elizabeth had gotten to the point just before the succubus suddenly transferred schools that she desperately made sure any boy was around her at all times, having taken almost 2 months for the trend to reach a level where Elizabeth was conscious of the protection that even a bullying brute of a boy was against her appearing. Anyone and anything was better than her.

>The Queen deals 184 damage to her prey, including her crit damage.<

Realizing she'd allowed her mind to wander, Elizabeth threw herself back at the physical activity. The last thing she wanted was to think about the wretched succubus or her games. The way she always, always, ALWAYS made Elizabeth actively participate in her own social destruction and bullying when she involved herself. It was "Lizzie's choice" what would happen, but the options were always absolutely dreadful or somehow even worse. Often the worse involved using one of her precious few friends as a sacrifice to protect herself.

Elizabeth had only taken that option once... a girl by the name of Brooke in the same class, a big towering oaf but sweet. They'd barely become friends when the option to sacrifice Brooke was presented to her and the other option was the worst thing that the succubus ever demanded if Elizabeth wanted to protect her friend... up to that point at least. It had been the single biggest mistake of Elizabeth's life.

She had made certain, without showing her face that Elizabeth knew, that Brooke was crystal clear that she was paying ELIZABETH's dues for being the "Lizard's" friend. And was doubly clear that she'd betrayed the tall girl. Jacob was the only person that even spoke to her at school after that, and the succubus had dialed up the demands as if determined to make her a traitor again. Nothing the mistress EVER offered as an option after the betrayal was less intense then what Elizabeth had sacrificed Brooke to get out of. One of the first demands after she'd betrayed one friend had been that Elizabeth BEG Sofia and her other bullies to call her Lizard everywhere and get everyone else to do it... effectively erasing her own name at school and replacing it with a label designed to call attention to how unappealing she was. It hadn't taken long for Elizabeth to realize that she had been waiting for her to betray someone, for her to make herself that vulnerable, for her to isolate herself completely. But not matter what Heather tried, Elizabeth refused to ever consider sacrificing Jacob... for a while he was the only reason she didn't just kill herself to escape the loneliness and isolation that she'd been forced to embrace and participate in creating.

>The Queen deals 194 damage to her prey, including a daze.<
>The Queen's meal shrinks to 5 Fullness. Her prey can take a total of 594 damage before shrinking further, though over 100 of that 594 damage has already been done.<

Elizabeth knew what Jane would tell her as she found herself webbed in the thoughts thoroughly now. "Think about how much it pissed you off! Imagine tracking her down and putting the girl where she belongs! She's just a little prey bitch Liz!" Elizabeth heard that enough from her family. She didn't think she could handle hearing it from Jane as well. Finding herself curious, and feeling from how tired she was that she must not have slept long, Elizabeth checks her phone. 1:58am. She'd only slept maybe 3 hours before the nightmare woke her. She groaned, knowing she needed to be ready to go early in the morning.

"Just focus on your prey for now. You can feel Pearl grinding down. Rapid should be ready to go as well by now. I'll get my gut flat, forget about the past and go to sleep before I miss too much of the night." Elizabeth told herself firmly, and set to marking out the course. An hour later, she had her stomach flat and laid down her head, slipping into a troubled sleep for the rest of the night. At least this time the nightmares weren't bad enough to wake her.
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<Take control the situation... remind Lizzie who's always been in charge.>

BEEEEEEEEEEEP!

Heather calmly turned off her alarm clock and stretched. It was a much better night's rest then she'd expected after the way the night had ended. Finding an internal lock installed on her door had helped that a lot. She didn't honestly expect any of the males in her family to take advantage of her door being unlocked while she slept, but Heather felt infinitely safer and more secure having the option to take control of matters and simply lock them out altogether. Combined with the emotional release, Heather hadn't slept so well in months.

The first thing Heather did was check her phone. She'd sent a number of messages last night as she calmed down before going to sleep. She doubted she'd randomly run into Lizzie through the day, but she absolutely had to be prepared for the possibility that it both could happen and it could be somewhere isolated and not covered on security footage. Sure, Lizzie didn't know where the cameras were... but she could tell if they were isolated easily and she had enough reason to gamble on camera footage showing her eating Heather. So Heather had encrypted every photo and every video she'd ever taken of Lizzie, then encrypted that file with a different process, then zipped it and sent it to 30 students she trusted wouldn't delete it and couldn't figure out how to open it without the key.

Heather wasn't ready to take chances on how strong someone that Regis so strictly called the Queen had to be. If she only sent files to a small group Lizzie might be able to eat everyone if push came to shove. But with 30 hands holding the goods there would be no way things could fall apart that way. She'd then made 3 copies of a complete program that would properly restore the blackmail, keeping one copy for herself and sending the second to Hope while demanding to know what the plan was. Heather knew a lot more about the members of Jane's crew then she wanted to reveal to anyone – even them or Hazel – and she'd pierced Hope's airhead act towards the beginning of her Sophomore year. It had taken every resource of her network a year into building it for Heather to start seeing cracks, and about a month for her to confirm her suspicions after that, but Heather had made herself one of no more than a dozen students that knew Hope was likely the smartest girl at school. She'd included with the demand for information and the complete key a list of things she was near certain Hope had been the brains behind that her big sister had gone through. Hope would understand the threat without putting an edge on it, so Heather had simply told her to keep the key safe unless Lizzie ate her. Heather planned to give Hazel the last complete key.

Apart from the complete keys, which Heather tightly kept controlled for fear someone could use that amount of power to ruin her one piece of powerful enough leverage, she also gave her 9 most trusted subordinates incomplete keys that – combined properly – could still unencrypt the blackmail. They had orders who to link up with to complete the key if Heather didn't countermand the instruction before school the next day... and they all knew better than to disobey even if Heather was absent. Even if Lizzie took out everyone with a complete key, she'd never uncover Heather's connections to enough of the 9 fast enough and Heather could see how much space Hazel would already take up for today, making it hopefully impossible to even fit them on top of the 3 complete keys.

On her phone were a good dozen questions asking what the weird message was, and she responded to each asking for a big personal favor that they keep it safe for now and not try to open it. 'Every last boy on this list is immediately going to start trying to open it.' Heather thought with disgust at the difference in the reassurance that girls gave her and the eagerness to please that the boys showed. 'But that's why it's double encrypted and zipped.' Her minions had acknowledged her abnormal orders, not questioning why she was moving in the direction of breaking up the cells she normally operated through. Heck, some of the groups she ran had become rivals without knowing both answered to her... but they would share the incomplete keys and get the blackmail out if something went horridly wrong.

But there was no answer from Hope yet. That had been the vital piece. 'How am I supposed to keep control of things without knowing the plan?' Heather complained, pacing to burn away her fear. She knew full well that neither Hazel nor Jacob would suggest a false girlfriend. Jacob was scum enough to gladly fake a full harem if it was presented to him, but he didn't have the creativity to come up with it or the brains to convince Hazel it wasn't as stupid as it sounded. And Hazel? Her coming up with a plan involving letting the boy she'd ripped herself apart over Jennifer having? At least Jennifer deserved to be dating a piece of shit like him, why on earth it would activate her big sister's jealousy was beyond Heather. But she recognized it. And she knew Hope activated Hazel's jealousy already just by existing. No, this was Hope's plan. And that would mean that there were intricate details that could ruin something Heather came up with herself if she acted blindly, not to mention delicate parts she could ruin in turn.

Technically, Heather could just go downstairs and ask Hazel. She wouldn't know as much as the mastermind, but her sister was in the position of the boss and should have a degree of knowledge that reflected as much. It was too awkward after last night, and Hazel would have endless questions how Heather already knew as much as she did that would lead to some seriously difficult conversations... and worse Heather might get cornered into explaining how she knew Lizzie if she talked to her big sister. She could control Hope completely with a strategy of mutually assured destruction – Heather would at least not die if the genius let slip that she'd bullied Lizzie and Jacob. Her relationship with her big sister would probably never recover, but she wouldn't die. But if she told Hazel exactly what all had been Hope's idea? She was dead. Heather and Hope both knew that, and that meant that even if they were mutually assured destruction, Heather had the stronger hand to play.

Gathering up some clothes for her shower – grabbing 3 sports bras to compensate for the fact that her usual wrapping strategy would get soaked to uselessness by the sweat from tryouts – Heather continued assessing her preparations. Everything would have to be perfect if she was going to stay in control of someone who could always just eat her. But most important, even more important than having the blackmail, was that she remember the right way to play the game face to face. She'd learned how to dig into her victim's heads from a true master, and she'd paid enormously for the lessons, so Heather was at least confident that Lizzie wouldn't need much to remember who was in charge as long as there was sufficient umph to her leverage. When you make someone choose their suffering it breaks the mind and spirit in a totally different way.

'There's no avoiding what one of her options is. I might as well acknowledge it to her face. Take control of the fact that she can eat me and use the blackmail as consequence. Tell her that the pictures and videos will be all over Pred High within a week if she takes that option, but freely and without concern admit she could choose that on the one hand. That will present that I've got the control even if she picks that, and presentation has a way of becoming reality to people.' Heather decides, shivering and locking horns with her fear. It wouldn't be any harder than the act Mistress Victoria had demanded of her, she was confident she could pull it off. In some ways, it would even be an easier act.

Shampooing her hair, Heather considers a number of possibilities for the second option. It would ideally be something almost totally symbolic and physically extremely easy. The purpose was to make it as low a hurdle to the pride of the 'Queen' to accept while still being something that utterly acknowledged that Heather was in charge. Before a witness if possible, but that was probably hoping for too much. Heather discounts a number of possibilities, like making her crawl on her knees and beg for forgiveness after eating Heather's original crew. That one might put enough steel in Lizzie's back that she'd take her chances with the blackmail.

As she dried off, Heather has an idea that she settles on. It would accomplish her needs without going overboard enough to make the option of blackmail appealing to Lizzie. Checking her phone again, she growls angrily when she sees that Hope still hasn't responded to her text from last night. Heather considers asking Hazel to call the girl, but once again she'd find herself forced to explain why... which would lead to explaining her knowledge and her vested interest in knowing the plan.

Heather pulled the first bra on, expelling all the air from her lungs and snapping it tight, immediately feeling her lungs pressured by the fit. She had to be very careful not to move in the wrong way or breath too deep until she got the second sports bra on... she was using her school bras, and they were 4 sizes small – intended for her chest after she'd compressed it with wrap. She'd ruined one of them getting ready for the last round of tryouts, and it was damnably hard to convince her parents to consciously buy something "clearly too small" to replace any she lost. Once the second was on it became substantially harder to breath, but the structure was sound enough to handle any normal movement and Heather's almost instinctive efforts to take a full, deep breath. But she wasn't comfortable trusting it to handle the rigors of the motion that she'd have to do at cheer leading tryouts. Thus the third sports bra, this one an old at-home bra that was only 3 sizes small and would hide the others under it while she was in the changing room with the other girls. Thankfully this one didn't make breathing much more difficult and only held things enough tighter that she could tell the lack of following momentum from her turning and twisting. Not to mention finally taking enough weight off her back that it stopped mounting a steady ache.

The rest of getting dressed was easy at least. Her top still hugged her upper body more than Heather would have preferred, but the designs on the skirt she wore today should draw at least a number of eyes off her chest towards her ass. Infinitely preferable, even if still ultimately detestable. Besides, the ensemble as a whole was adorable, and Heather anticipated Beth would be asking how she did it in class. Arya hated her, and Heather had no intention of getting closer to the Pred to be than absolutely necessary either, but Beth was completely enchanted. Which meant that if Heather ever needed something from Arya she'd always get it anyways. Control a Pred to be's OAO and you have control of that Pred to be.

Unless the future Pred is Jane at least. Heather hadn't succeeded in her efforts to use Lily to call the hounds off Hazel. She had exactly one card left in her hand to try to handle Jane with, and Heather was very reluctant to play it. There were too many unknowns with Jane, and the cheerleader was extremely volatile. It was an interesting mixture of tidbits she'd picked up across the entirety of her High School career. Jane's dad was possibly the only person she actually, genuinely cared about. He was in prison. Jane thought he was dead. But the truth was that Jane's dad was alive and everyone else in the Holden clan was hiding it from her. He'd gotten transferred to a different prison at the time they told Jane he'd died. The address where he was currently locked up. If she had to, Heather would take the knowledge hostage... but with how unpredictable Jane's response might be? It was a last resort move to tie a thin strand to the most wild beast at school and try to control her for just a few crucial minutes.

*BANG BANG BANG*

"Heather, you've been in there forever! Hurry up! I need to pee!" Rowan demanded gruffly, pounding on the door hard enough that Heather had jumped with sheer fright.

"I'm almost done, just let me put on my makeup." Heather answered, a snap in her tone from her anger at herself for being so easily startled.

"So it'll be another half hour!? Damn it... I'll see if Ash is out of the shower yet. Should have gone before he got in." Rowan grumbled, and listening closely Heather could hear his footsteps leaving.

"It doesn't take that long." Heather grumbled to herself, beginning the long, careful process of applying the exact amount of makeup to the exact spots her face needed the slight touch ups. It needed to be done perfectly today. As much as her looks made her vulnerable, they were also a powerful weapon as long as Heather remained carefully in control of things. And to deal with Lizzie, it was a weapon she wasn't willing to forgo. Around 20 minutes later, she finished and gave the bathroom over to Olive, who had the patience and care to wait and respect the time the process of looking good took. She did want Heather to help her with her own makeup after she showered though, but Heather was willing to teach her skills as long as she saw Olive keep trying to learn. She had the basics down already, which was more than could be said of Hazel.
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>Overlapping Heather's sleep, shower and the first part of applying of her makeup, Hazel has done her full round initial Rapid Digestion for the day.<
>Hazel deals 403 damage to her prey over an hour of Rapid Digestion.<
>Hazel has regained all remaining 13 fat units from her record high immediately after digesting Jennifer! While her figure isn't the same shape yet, her Digestion levels effect on fat units per size change having been updated by this point, her body recognizes that her energy reserves have been fully restored. All remaining 18 fat units of energy from her prey beyond her baseline Intake Needs and restoring her reserves have been dedicated to supercharging the reduction of her Intake Needs. Hazel's Intake needs are reduced by 27+18=45!<
>Hazel has used Rapid Digestion to its limit. Hazel must wait four hours to use Rapid Digestion again.<

Vigorously working down her prey, Hazel had initially been disappointed how little difference she could feel from her prey on waking. With Jennifer she'd instantly been able to spot the difference, and even yesterday she'd awakened to find that if she threw everything she had at it Hazel could hit the milestone without too much trouble. But this time it was taking everything she could throw at it and was laughing. But she slowly became aware of a different point that balanced her disappointment in visible effects to her prey. Some sort of internal balance had shifted, and Hazel could feel her body energizing from her prey much more strongly, enough that Hazel almost felt like she could point to the veins that were carrying the empowering nutrients to each of her limbs and along her skeleton. It was an electrifying experience. Hazel tried to avoid enjoying it too much as by the time she'd really noticed the feeling Heather had cut off the shower and Ash was getting in the downstairs bathroom for his own daily washing.

>Hazel has switched to Instant Digestion.<
>Hazel rolls a 10 and a pair of 13s. Combined with her 6 Crit Chance, Hazel has rolled a 42 out of 40 for a crit. Hazel will deal an extra 6+2=8 damage to her prey, rolling maximum on her crit die. This damage will benefit from her 1.0605 Digestion Power.<
>Hazel deals 57 damage to her prey after applying her Digestion Power, which is reduced to 52 damage by her prey's Resistance.<
>Hazel rolls a 14, 11 and 18. Combined with her 6 Crit Chance, Hazel has rolled a 49 out of 40 for a crit. Hazel will deal an extra 2+2=4 damage to her prey, which will benefit from her Digestion Power.<
>Hazel deals 52 damage to her prey.<
>Hazel deals 51 damage to her prey.<

As her little sister finally came down the stairs, Hazel wondered what the occasion had to be. She hadn't seen Heather put so much effort into her appearance since Middle School. Yes, Heather always tried to dress smartly, and yes she always wore makeup to highlight the best of her features and hide the few minuscule flaws. But today Heather had clearly raised the bar for a reason that escaped Hazel. It wasn't like Regis was visiting or something, which Hazel certainly would have accepted as explanation. She nodded to Heather, who nodded back. Both felt far too awkward to even voice anything, and they broke eye contact.

>Hazel deals 48 damage to her prey.<

Time was slowly starting to slip away from Hazel. Her family was making or eating their breakfasts at this point, not that Hazel needed any more food then what still refused to churn up, and Hazel had yet to get her shower. So when Willow came into the living room to check on her she ashamedly asked her mom to get the swimsuit and other items so that she could use the outdoor shower again. And get something she could wear to school. It was a far bigger inconvenience then Hazel would have ever guessed not being able to climb the stairs herself. She set herself a goal to get her stomach down to a size that would let her sleep in her own room that night.

>Hazel deals 43 damage to her prey.<

A chime hits her phone as her mother gets everything she'll need, and Hazel checks. She's able to tell it's a message from Hope, but the dense webs of her broken phone make it nearly illegible. Hazel struggles for a few minutes to get her phone to type and send a reply explaining the impossibility of text based communication. Her efforts only underscore the reality of the situation – to Hazel. The send button is completely unresponsive.

>Hazel deals 44 damage to her prey.<

Praying that whatever Hope had sent her wasn't absolutely essential and was just some added details, Hazel admits defeat in her efforts to get the phone to work as her mother hands her everything she'll need to get ready for and take her shower outside.

>Hazel deals 48 damage to her prey.<
>Hazel has used Instant Digestion to its limit. Hazel must wait 8 hours before she can use Instant Digestion again.<

A friendly reminder that it was already 7 and the bus would arrive soon sent Hazel racing away at the highest speed she could manage. Their family car didn't have a Pred door like Harmony's, so if Hazel missed the bus she'd be stuck at home and the plan would be ruined. Doubly ruined since Hazel had no way to warn Jacob OR Hope that she couldn't make it in time for her role and they'd be expecting her. But she wasn't exactly capable of dashing with her gut, and the punishing door frames certainly didn't care how fast she felt she needed to go, costing Hazel a significant amount of time she couldn't afford.

>Hazel is using Active Digestion.<
>Hazel deals 22 damage to her prey.<
>Hazel deals 23 damage to her prey.<

Hazel heard the bus honk as she was drying off, and screamed as she rushed all the faster. She'd have sworn that she'd given herself enough extra time by waking an hour early, but evidently she would need to be even more aggressive if she planned to fit in Rapid and Instant Digestion before school. Hazel was mentally begging her siblings to drag their feet as much as possible so that she could get dressed and out there before the bus left, knowing the driver was apt to abandon anyone that hadn't at least left the door of their house on his timetable but didn't like leaving behind those who at least were walking towards the bus. She knew that it wasn't going to be enough. Ash and Heather were the only two that needed this bus. She was going to MISS it!!!
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"Just hold on, my sister will be coming soon." Heather insisted.

"Look, I've got a schedule to keep. Folks that ain't ready when the bus rolls up get to either drive themselves or take the hit to attendance." The gnarly, disgusting bus driver said, spitting out the window beside him. "Now sit down and shut yer trap, I've got to get y'all to school on time."

Partly Heather wished that Ash would try convincing the man again, but he'd gotten even more strongly torn into for suggesting that they wait. She checked the passengers already on the bus, hoping she'd find support somewhere. She knew Hazel needed to catch the bus, and that a minute or two would likely be enough, but this horrid creature that drove them to school wasn't about to listen to her. She noticed someone sitting towards the front though, someone that he'd have to listen to.

Jane was on the bus.

The trick here would be convincing her to interfere. She was already being quite attentive to the discussion, which indicated there was a chance. Jane would openly ignore things she didn't care about after all. "Please... sir, my sister didn't mean to cause a delay. She just underestimated how much her prey would slow her down. She already missed one day of school because she couldn't fit in our family car, don't make her miss another because she's learning to handle her new abilities."

"Sounds like she ain't gonna have room tah give me no grief any time soon then." The bus driver chuckles. "And very few folks carry a grudge hard enough to come back for the poor driver a few days after the fact. Get to yore seat before I need to guide you to it miss."

There was no way Heather was going to keep going until the slimy man was "obligated" to lay his hands on her to take her to a seat. The idea itself revolted her on top of the fear that always lurked, ready to consume her. She gave in on the surface, trudging as slowly as she dared towards the back of the bus. She paused beside Jane. "Wouldn't you like to see first hand what progress my sister's made?" Heather whispers to Jane. The best card she had without wasting her trump was the cheerleader's competitive streak. "Another Pred Awakens at the same school within a week of you... you can't tell me you aren't intrigued to see what she can do. All we need is a minute or two."

A smirk crawls along Jane's face, her icy blue eyes piercing Heather. She knew she was being manipulated, but at present she didn't care. She was curious enough to see Hazel that she might have helped without the plea, but if Heather was offering some sort of bonus... Jane had great respect for the extent of Heather's network. If Jane wanted something spread among the Seniors, she needed to tell 3-4 people to get it to everyone quickly. For the Sophomores, there were nearly a dozen people that needed to hear for gossip to penetrate every click. The Freshmen hadn't even sorted themselves out enough for the recently started school year to know who would make the most useful gossips. But if Jane wanted the Juniors to know or to believe something... she only needed to tell Heather and get Heather to spread it.

Jane stood up, and grabbed Heather firmly. She found herself being pressed into the window seat of Jane's aisle as the cheerleader quickly stepped to the front of the bus. Heather couldn't hear the whispered exchange, but the bus driver killed the engine and popped the hood, remarking to everyone that he needed to check something real quick. The sweat on his face told Heather that Jane had likely been direct in ordering him to kill some time. The cheerleader returned to her seat momentarily. "You'll be trying out for the team again today?" Jane asked as she sat, her tone casual and light.

"Of course." Heather replied, smiling as brightly as she could. She needed this. The cheer squad was the most influential group of girls in the school by a long ways. And they looked out for each other too. The biggest reason Heather hadn't been able to expose Lily or Jane for bullying was the influence of the entire cheerleader squad shielding their members. Of course, Heather also put that influence to work for herself... one of her minions had made the team. Unfortunately, Jane seemed to have held a grudge from the one time Heather had tried to get them in trouble and always spoke against her joining. Or maybe it was quite simply that she was Hazel's little sister. There was little use in predicting why Jane did much of anything. She was the worst sort of element to deal with. Completely uncontrollable.

"I think the team could use someone like you." Jane remarked casually. "I've always been overruled at previous tryouts though. Idiots that think the only thing that can be brought to the team is direct talent. No, you'd be more useful in... different ways, but still useful."

The emphasis made Heather's skin crawl, and the way Jane was looking at her was every bit as bad as the boys. In some ways worse, as the shadow of Mistress Victoria's calculating appraisal of her taste lurked in Jane's gaze as well. "What sort of ways?" Heather asked, keeping her voice steady with sheer force of will. If Jane noticed a trace of fear in the question she chose to ignore it.

"An organizer, and someone able to head up reminding everyone exactly why we are the baddest bitches in school." Jane purred. The smirk indicated that she knew how this would appeal to Heather, that it was central to her desire to join in the first place. "Even more important though is reminding everyone where to find all the hottest girls, and we're missing a crowning piece for that. The old captain would never listen to me though." Jane strokes her middle, a less than subtle reminder what had happened to her. Jane's voice dropped to a husky whisper, intended only for the two of them. "Having you on the team, actually showing off what you've got? Girls would be lining up to join as if it would make them magically gain your body. Besides, if you could actually breath properly during tryouts you probably could handle the routines as a base."

'How... did she know that?' Heather thought, frightened as she understood what Jane was really saying. She wanted to turn Heather into a symbol of how sexy the cheerleaders were to both draw actual talent and increase the combined influence of the squad even more. That would maximize the downside of joining while giving Heather herself only the absolute minimum benefit of increased influence by association. "I don't think you've got the right person in mind. I might be able to help a little with organizing or networking, but I'm not hiding anything that would make people respond like you're hoping for."

"Pity." Jane leans back, retreating from Heather's space and looking out the window as Hazel made her way to the bus at the fastest waddle her gut would allow for just as the bus driver was closing the hood after 'checking' whatever Jane had set him on. "She's still only that far along?" Jane laughed as she took in the sight. "It's been, what, 30 hours? 36 hours?" The cheerleader laughed again, mocking delight giving it an edge that set Heather's teeth to grinding.
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>Hazel has dealt 24 damage to her prey.<
>Hazel already is at her former maximum fat units. All fat units of energy from digesting her prey will go to drastically reducing her Intake Needs. Hazel's Intake Needs are reduced by 26+25=51!<

How or why the bus was still there when she'd gotten dressed Hazel didn't know. She'd guess there was some sort of minor malfunction, finding the driver checking the oil as she rounded the corner herself. When he saw her, the old man waved and quickly finished whatever he was checking. The friendly fellow showed her how she'd be getting on board, explaining in his funny sounding accent that he'd brought the only bus in Downtown High's fleet that had a Pred Door built in. That's why his route now prioritized both her and Jane. Apparently the back of the bus swung open like an 18 wheeler's back doors, which explained to Hazel why Jane had been at the very back when she'd had a gut herself. She felt embarrassed as the entire balance of the bus shifted while she climbed in, needing a few minutes and several attempts to figure out the logistics of getting up so high with her prey in the way. Then the door was shut and she took a seat, spotting Ash sitting alone and Heather beside Jane.

Despite her worries, Hazel took her seat at the back of the bus. Whatever else she knew about her little sister, Hazel knew that Heather was more than capable of taking care of herself. Besides, Jane had always taken a very different approach with Heather than she had with Hazel, and Hazel thought Jane had grudging respect for Heather's repeated attempts to join the cheerleading team. Besides, her gut was currently wider than the gap in the rows of seats, so it wasn't like Hazel could force her way to the front and try to run some sort of interference anyways. She also couldn't see Arya, so the ball of energy had probably hitched a ride with Jacob.
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"Remind me why you're actually trying to meet up with Lizard Breath again?" Arya asked from the passenger seat. She'd put him through a whole inquisition when he'd gotten home from Hazel's, and Jacob was still being bullied for answers. Beth had heard much the same version of the rumors as Heather had, and Arya had been... if possible... more upset than Hazel's own family. 'This would be so much easier if I could actually trust you to keep your mouth shut.' Jacob thought angrily, wanting to strangle the steering wheel.

"Because I don't want her to eat my girlfriend while she's here, and Jane's taken inviting her over clean out of my hands." Jacob answered with as little frustration as he could manage.

"Is that supposed to be Hope or Hazel?" Arya quizzed, anger lacing her tone. Whatever she'd deduced of the plan from what she'd dragged out of Jacob last night, Arya made no question that she completely opposed any action that wasn't perfectly clear he was dating Hazel. And she kept trying to press even more details from him, as if wanting a clear image what would happen and when. Thankfully parking gave him an excuse to get out and try to escape the questioning. Of course, Arya wasn't about to let him off the hook, hounding his footsteps.

"I'll explain everything tomorrow, okay? Right now I just... I need you to shut up and not ruin anything." Jacob snapped, whirling to stick his finger in his little sister's face. Nothing he ever tried ever stuck on Arya. She was completely irrepressible, and her utter lack of a filter meant that Jacob saw her as the single biggest threat to the plan.

His last statement at least had Arya thinking though. "Promise?" She held out her pinkie like an absolute child. Normally Jacob would scorn the silliness of his little sister's antics, but right then he was exhausted from dealing with her endless energy.

"Promise." Jacob agreed, wrapping his finger around hers.

"Cool. I'll break this finger with the car door if you haven't told me everything by the time we get to school tomorrow." Arya said in a perfectly cheerful voice, then turns and races over to where Beth was getting off the bus that brought her.

Watching her fly off, and trying not to think about how serious his little sister's threat likely was, Jacob could only smile at her ridiculousness. He had felt his phone vibrate while he was driving to school, and when he checked he had a number of messages from Hope. The most recent asked if he knew why Hazel wasn't responding. Jacob quickly sent an explanation of her broken phone as he headed towards the field, and then started to scroll up to read the other messages. But before he got through much of them he heard a familiar voice calling his name.
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"Jacob!" Elizabeth called out, spotting her handsome King leaving the parking lot. He had his head in his phone, likely starting a text to find her on the campus. He was even a good five minutes early from the time he'd asked her to meet him and it delighted Elizabeth to find him so eager to catch up. She'd gained a measure of weight from Pearl at the eleventh hour of digesting her prey, gaining enough to bump her breasts and her middle up a size. Inevitably they'd vanish again soon, but Elizabeth was glad for the effects prior to her date. It let her wear one of her favorite lacy C cup bras in case things developed in that direction, and she had picked out a shirt that should tease her little muffin top nicely for Jacob. She knew he'd like both, though Jane's assurance indicated that he'd like her ass even more.

'Why didn't I think to have her tell him I was coming over?' Elizabeth wonders. It was such a simple, such an OBVIOUS thing to do. But somehow both Elizabeth and Jane had forgotten that by coming to visit Jane at school and vetting her ability to act as Cheer Captain when she transferred and training her toughness some Elizabeth would also have a rare, precious opportunity to spend time with the blue eyed god now returning her wave. Jane had specifically mentioned Hope as someone that she was looking forward to introducing Elizabeth to, and that was the very same friend that had corrected Jane's rare oversight. It made Elizabeth's curiosity about this Hope grow, wondering what sort of girl she was that Jane and Jacob both spoke highly of her.

"Hey Liz. I didn't think you'd be here yet." Jacob said, smiling in a way that made Elizabeth's heart race. Part of her felt like the smile wasn't fully reaching his eyes, and he certainly wasn't staring with desire at any part of her body the way some of Jane's more... pointed reassurances would have made Elizabeth dare hope for, but it still sent the shivers to her core.

"I was hoping for an escort to the field?" Elizabeth requested, a shy smile on her lips. It wasn't fair how much effect Jacob had on her just standing there. She'd been making due with just pictures or videos, the rare phone call and a text every week or two for so long. Standing next to her husband again after such a separation gave her a sensation of unparalleled closeness... yet also of disturbing distance.

"I think that could be arranged." Jacob laughed, bright and sunny. His full heart in it this time, it washed away Elizabeth's doubts as he presented his arm for her to take.

It was hard not to latch onto his arm like a woman drowning, but Elizabeth forced herself to remember to act within the bounds of what her standing required. She demurely took his arm, careful not to exert much force in holding it close and intimately to her body. Elizabeth was more than capable of breaking bones without meaning to even in her normal condition. She didn't need the extra mass or momentum of a large belly to generate the forces required. In fact, if she wanted to, Elizabeth could crush a wrist by squeezing as hard as she could on it. So she handled her lover's arm delicately and tenderly to avoid risking even slight discomfort on the part of her charming, perfect Jacob. "Lead the way." The Queen commanded, the persona barely holding Elizabeth back from squealing with sheer joy and excitement at his touch.

Jacob led them into the field and up on the lowest row of bleachers. He didn't ask any questions or check the weight rating of the rickety seating, clearly not built with a Pred of her capabilities in mind and liable to fall apart if she ascended to the less structurally sound top. They took a seat side by side, and it seemed that they would have some time to focus on each other before Jane got the show under way. Elizabeth couldn't see her friend anywhere, though she only gave one quick look before turning her focus to Jacob. Jane could alert her when the show was starting... any second not spent on Jacob before things began was an absolute waste. Which made the first thing he said after they sat down jarring. "I heard you ran into Hazel a few days ago."

'Why do you... JANE!!!' Elizabeth thought, clamping down on her anger. She gives her best regal smile, determined not to allow the unpleasant starting topic to damper her mood. "I guess it would make sense for Jane to tell you about that. Hazel visited an establishment that my family runs. I had to dig her out of some trouble, for old time's sake of course." Elizabeth answers, trying to maintain the best spin on the encounter. She'd learned by experience how much difference controlling the story made.

"Jane didn't tell me about it. Hazel did." Jacob answers, his smile vanishing. He'd caught her red handed trying to minimize the downsides of the encounter. Elizabeth had deliberately avoided mentioning having to correct Hazel's unacceptable misconstruction of their relationship... she knew that her lovely blue eyed god wouldn't understand the type of force required to maintain law and order. But his face cleared of anger after a moment, before Elizabeth could start to explain, and took on a look of apology. "I have to make a few confessions... because it was my fault that she didn't have the right understanding."

There were a few moments where Elizabeth felt time was standing still. Her flawless Jacob wanted to take the blame for that? Why? And for that matter, what did he think he was supposed to have done to prevent it? "Explain." The Queen asked, preparing to take in the facts of the case and make a judgment if he was right or wrong.

He wouldn't meet her eyes, scratching his chin in embarrassment. "Well... you see, I... might have... kinda... that is..." Jacob stated and stopped multiple times, and the Queen took in all the mannerisms of guilt he was portraying. Whatever he was about to confess, it must really be bothering his conscience, and Elizabeth was inclined to lighten any sentence as much as possible in light of how it already effected her love. "I... asked her out a few days after you transferred in Middle School." He hunched as he finally said it, expecting her to lose her temper.

So the Queen suppressed her wrath as much as she could. She could feel how thin her lips were pressed against each other, and could feel the heat of rage through her body... but she held it in. She wasn't going to go off on her sweet Jacob. "What... did she say?" Elizabeth asked, knowing that obviously any girl would only ever say-

"No. Well, technically she said a lot more than that, but it all came to a pretty emphatic no." Jacob laughs, seeming relieved that she hadn't lost her temper.

"SHE SAID WHAT!?" The Queen demanded, pounding the bleacher to vent the rage that instantly consumed her. It snapped under the blow, and she stared dead into Jacob's eyes feeling murder in her heart. She didn't understand why or how, but somehow the idea that Hazel would reject her gorgeous god when he lowered himself so far as to ask the brunette out managed to make Elizabeth even angrier than if Hazel had agreed to help her Jacob cheat on her. "HOW DARE SHE! WHO DOES THAT WHORE THINK SHE IS!?"

It was the look in Jacob's eyes that reigned her in. She was scaring him, unnerving her perfect man. And paining him, as Elizabeth realized belatedly that she'd exerted quite a measure of force in squeezing the hand she hadn't let go of yet. Elizabeth released it with a yelp, apologizing profusely. He assured her that he was fine, he just hadn't expected her to react like that. He had expected Liz to be happy she'd said no, not even angrier. Which left her fishing through her head for a way to explain the outburst. 'If agreeing to go out with him at that point were treason against the Queen... outright rejecting him was blasphemy against a god.' Elizabeth thought, but she couldn't say something so utterly embarrassing. She took another look around the field while trying to think of a less humiliating way to make Jacob understand why she'd reacted so strangely.

<Jane, please... keep her away from me!>

That was when she spotted her friend. And right beside her, of all people, was that walking nightmare. Elizabeth mentally recoiled, her mind flashing to the dreams that had made her wake in the night and sleep fitfully. And both of them were walking right towards her. 'No... no! Don't bring her over here Jane! Get her away first. I'll be glad to give you a moment, but get RID of the damn succubus first!' Elizabeth thought, doing her best to suppress a shiver of fear.

<He notices, and makes comments on it... but can't figure out why and Liz denies everything firmly, but not convincingly.>

A strong reassurance fills her as she feels Jacob's hand slide into hers. "Are you okay Liz? Your face is pale." He asked, examining her in a way she'd normally love to be looked at by him. But the only thing that could be worse then allowing the succubus to scare her would be to let Jacob see just how much of a hold she still had.

"I'm fine." Elizabeth growled, shocking herself that she could direct such a sound at her blue eyed god. "They're late, right?" She asked, begging to be right as the pair came closer by the second.

"Only 4 or 5 minutes late Liz." Jacob replies after checking his phone.

'Oh thank the heavens.' Elizabeth praised mentally with inordinate relief. She raised her voice and addressed Jane directly, doing all she could to ignore the terrifying ghost from her past standing beside the acting Cheer Captain. "It's about time you got here. I thought I'd be waiting until tomorrow for the show to start. Hurry up and get us underway already Jane!" The Queen ordered, allowing what anger had survived the frozen shock of fear that merely seeing Heather had inspired to color her impatient order. 'A reputation for intolerance can be so useful.'
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As she spotted Lizzie sitting next to Jacob, Heather immediately grabbed Jane's arm. "Would you introduce me to that girl next to your cousin? I bet she's the Queen Hazel's been going on about. I'd just love to meet royalty!" Heather gushed, keeping the fear tightly contained. She had complete control of the situation. Get over there with Lizzie, whisper an invitation to chat one on one or with just a carefully selected few girls, set down the options that Lizzie could pick and her long term victim would be back under heel where she belonged.

"Why would I do that?" Jane responded, unconvinced and wary.

Heather hesitated. She could try to use her trump card to strong arm Jane with the information about her father, or she could wait for another opportunity. Either way would carry a large number of risks an unknowns, and the careful Heather spent a moment too long weighing the options, hearing Lizzie snap at Jane for their tardiness and demand the show get started. This opportunity was lost, but surely more would come.
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> Hazel and Jacob have both been unable to read the latest messages from Hope, one due to her broken screen and the other due to the Queen arriving just a few minutes early and getting the message while driving. How critical are the messages that they missed?
[Game Changing. It's the updated plan to account for Heather's relationship with the Lizard.]
[Vital. While Hope didn't have time to even try to update the plan to reflect Heather's involvement, she intended to warn them about the element of chaos as soon as she was aware herself.]
[Moderate. Some moral boosting and key reminders, but Hope sent this before she'd looked at her own message from Heather.]
[Nonessential. Dumb and dumber already knew everything in the messages, and they are perfectly capable of acting without the attempt to idiot proof the system in the latest text.]
[WRITE IN]

> Is Heather going to bite the bullet on using her only heavyweight piece of leverage on Jane?
[Yes. Jane completely submits for the rest of the day in exchange for the information.]
[Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.]
[Yes. Jane corners Heather and demands she tell her everything. Or else the consequences will be unimaginable. Heather barely manages to get her to agree to a single favor in return for the information.]
[No. Heather decides the risks are too high.]
[WRITE IN]

> What does Jacob make of Liz's outburst?
[Utter Confusion. Finds an excuse to leave for long enough to call Hope... maybe the schemer can figure it out.]
[Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.]
[This Might be Good Actually. He might be able to double down if Liz gets more upset about a girl rejecting him then she does him dating the same girl.]
[WRITE IN]

> How well is the Queen's self control holding up as various factors start pressing against it?
[Excellently. She's well accustomed to high stakes and complex situations, even if this one hits her far closer to home.]
[Decently. The cracks only ever show for a few moments at a stretch before they're repaired.]
[Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.]
[Catastrophically. Either a whimpering mess of terror or a rampaging giant of wrath depending on how things unfold.]
[WRITE IN]

> How long does it take Heather to get in touch with Lizzie, either through a proxy or in person?
[5 minutes. It's her top priority and she's found the perfect way to make it happen.]
[15 minutes. Once she's got a minute between routines she approaches confidently.]
[Half hour. There's always something in the way.]
[45 minutes. Heather's got cold feet and needs to firm her courage to approach Lizzie despite her preparations.]
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby DGUBEAGLE17 » Sat Mar 29, 2025 4:35 am

Heather is definitely shaping up to be a very interesting character especially since she's a prey currently surrounded by preds, and the only one on her side is vastly outmatched.
[Nonessential. Dumb and dumber already knew everything in the messages, and they are perfectly capable of acting without the attempt to idiot proof the system in the latest text.] Honestly this is the best outcome for everyone and I don't think Dumb and Dumber can change their performances that quickly if it was that necessary of information.
[No. Heather decides the risks are too high.] This is what I'm hoping for as it could be useful later but I could be convinced to change my vote.
[Utter Confusion. Finds an excuse to leave for long enough to call Hope... maybe the schemer can figure it out.] Jacob being apart of dumb and dumber means that he'd need Hope for help with this completely confusing reaction.
[Decently. The cracks only ever show for a few moments at a stretch before they're repaired.] Considering she just had a nightmare about it the night before and is now face to face in real life with said nightmare, I think she might start cracking but her practice with dealing with situations like this help her keep it together.
[Half hour. There's always something in the way.] I think she might take an opportunity to send a proxy as this would reinforce the fact that she has a network to bully Lizzie again and will give Liz less chance to eat her.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby GrayLotus » Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:37 am

[Moderate. Some moral boosting and key reminders, but Hope sent this before she'd looked at her own message from Heather.] - To confirm, does this option affect the actual information Hope has available to herself right now, including whatever adjustments to the plan she has made on her own, or is it specifically what information she has tried to share with Hazel & Jacob? I assume it's the latter, but I'm not certain. This option generally reads more as what differences Hope would be expecting coming into the meeting compared to what was planned yesterday, so the more critical the level of information missed would result in Hope having to do course-correction in her own planning than if she was mostly counting on adjusting her own actions around what previously organised. I'll go with her providing some tips but not trying to do any major reorganising with them over the phone like this. If she's scheming, she'll rely on the dynamic duo to do what they already agreed on and adjust herself around that. Probably not a good idea to try to get them to behave significantly differently on the fly, given they're both pretty inexperienced with that kind of social adaptation.

[Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.] - Hard decision here. That's some very strong leverage on Jane, and the question is if Heather feels like it's worth using that to get through this encounter with Elizabeth. Jane's leaving the school pretty soon, and she doesn't have much of a connection with Heather to interact afterwards, so there is a good argument for using it here. Elizabeth is definitely by far the greater concern right now for Heather, but this is a very strong card to play. If she does use it, I prefer using the middle option here. It'll give Heather a considerable boost in influence for this encounter, but still leaves Jane as a wildcard able to take her own actions. I'll see what other people think about her using this now or waiting for another opportunity.

Once again I find myself unable to come to a clear decision for Jacob. Not sure why this keeps happening. I'll keep thinking about it and see what I can come up with.

[Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.] - Liz has considerable experience with staying collected, but she does have her weakpoints. We've already seen her snap about Jacob's relationship status in the club, and with both him and her worst nightmare here, I think she'll struggle to keep calm when the pressure starts ramping up. What form that takes exactly we'll see, but I feel she's liable to end up 'breaking character' as it were in this situation and start acting more like 'Elizabeth' instead of 'the Queen'.

[15 minutes. Once she's got a minute between routines she approaches confidently.] - Well, this one's fairly straightforward at least. How much time do we want before Heather can make her best efforts at completely derailing the existing plan? I'll go with this one to give a bit more time for everyone to adjust and settle, before the intensity really starts ramping up.

I wasn't expecting Liz to be so much more upset that Hazel refused to date Jacob, but it does make sense thinking about it. If Hazel was dating Jacob, that's an insult to Liz and her claim on him. But by rejecting his offer, that's an insult to Jacob as well, which would be even more intolerable.

I do continue to enjoy the little notes about Liz needing to be careful with her strength and weight. They aren't major things, but I appreciate how they help the... tactility(?) of the world. It helps get across that experienced Preds like her have to navigate around a world that (mostly) isn't designed for people that are much stronger and heavier than a typical human. It was a cool detail with the Pred entrance for the bus as well! We also continue to get the contrast between how Heather views the men around her compared to how Hazel does.

Good to get an answer about why Jane was still so active against Hazel even with Heather's influence on her part of the school bully population. Naturally Jane's too volatile for Heather to be able to be able to influence her.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Sat Mar 29, 2025 7:52 am

GrayLotus wrote:To confirm, does this option affect the actual information Hope has available to herself right now, including whatever adjustments to the plan she has made on her own, or is it specifically what information she has tried to share with Hazel & Jacob? I assume it's the latter, but I'm not certain. This option generally reads more as what differences Hope would be expecting coming into the meeting compared to what was planned yesterday, so the more critical the level of information missed would result in Hope having to do course-correction in her own planning than if she was mostly counting on adjusting her own actions around what previously organised.


By the time the next section starts, no it has no effect on what Hope knows. But it has strong indirect effects on when Hope checked the message and gained that information. Which has even stronger effects on what adjustments she's been able to make on her own. Which leads to what she communicates as the option itself. And yes, it most strongly of all determines what Hope is expecting coming into things when she arrives. From the perspective of Hope gaining the information about a serious wildcard, the options are 'possibly last night' if Hope developed an entirely new plan. 'About the time Heather got out of the shower' if she immediately warns that there's a wildcard on the field while assuring both she'd handle... most of the probably required audibles herself. 'Likely while she rode the bus to school' would be reflective of the option you've currently back. Nonessential is the only option where I'd countenance the slim to none chance Hope hasn't even looked at that message yet, and I'd probably just run that she checked it after Heather was pinned in by Jane.

If Hope were to trust any of the 3 other actors to do on the fly adjustments of their own, she'll rely on Heather. For one, Heather saw through Hope's act herself and for two Hope's got an idea what the underbelly of Heather's network looks like so if Hope's life depends on the acting ability of one of these three... Hope will always put her life in Heather's hands out of the 3. She just doesn't get that option much.

DGUBEAGLE17 wrote:I think she might take an opportunity to send a proxy as this would reinforce the fact that she has a network to bully Lizzie again and will give Liz less chance to eat her.


Plus it would mean she doesn't have to get any closer to Jacob than absolutely necessary. I have 2 different proxies in mind depending on how voting goes though.

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Glad to know both of you are enjoying the story and the ways things layer upon themselves! It's an encouragement to see people pick out details and enjoy the fabric of the story on top of the other elements :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 08142024 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:26 am

[Vital. While Hope didn't have time to even try to update the plan to reflect Heather's involvement, she intended to warn them about the element of chaos as soon as she was aware herself.] - Based on phoneuser1992's answer to GrayLotus's question... I want to toe the line of Hope having as much information as possible, as soon as possible, while trusting her companions with the least adjustments needed. Especially since I'm fairly sure from the breakdown he gave that this is the only option that gives a significant chance that Hope and Heather themselves had time for a cliffnotes version of sharing the preexisting plan and figuring out how to least severely screw each other over.

[Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.] - I'd love to believe Heather could just total control Jane, but even with that powerful of leverage... Jane's going to bite back and negotiate hard. But I imagine that if there's 3 orders that Jane has to obey to the letter to get the information - even if she's subverting the intention of the orders in obeying the letter of the instruction - Heather is in a position to make her completely ruin herself in front of Elizabeth. It's dumby easy. USE JANE AS THE PROXY!!!! Think how much it would mess with the Queen's head to not only have Heather prove that she's still got an entire network to bully her with, but to indicate in a way that Heather and Lizzie alone will both understand that Jane has always been part of that network. Once that impression has been made... Jane's goose is COOKED.

Old Vote for Jacob's action. Still kinda want to see this at the tail end of things once Jane's isolating Elizabeth for Heather... or Heather is however else isolating the Queen, we all know she's going to want to at least get the boy away so that it can just be the girls when she's subjugating Lizzie.
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[Utter Confusion. Finds an excuse to leave for long enough to call Hope... maybe the schemer can figure it out.] - Jane's comments or orders for him to leave so they can talk, just the girls, should provide an excellent excuse when he's fishing for one. And getting Hope on scene while Jane's doing her all to scrub off the label of Heather's underling would be... excellent.

[Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.] - Probably going to try to flip the tables on Elizabeth and ask her questions while ducking questions himself. He needs to improve her overall mood ASAP and talking about the next things that were on his checklist seems like a way to piss her off even more again. But surely she'd be happy to brag about how she became the Queen of Pred High if he shows interest and especially the sort of approval she's starved for. The picture we get of her family's expectations is... sky, moon, sun and stars. Probably a waste of time from the standpoint of the plan to talk about, but it should get her feeling good and possibly help her center herself despite other things trying to break her down totally.

[Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.] - In addition to the points that GrayLotus made, I recall it being highlighted that the Queen is particularly bad at handling a situation where her personal prowess doesn't matter... and this certainly counts. It's not about how strong or hungry she is, this is all about her social skill and standing... which everyone who's been able to see her outside the setting where she can rule with fist of iron agrees she's at best mediocre at, possibly straight up bad at. I see her falling apart, but not quickly or catastrophically.

[Half hour. There's always something in the way.] - If I want to commit to making Jane the proxy she works though, and I absolutely do, then Heather's going to need time to get her in a position to chat. Then handle the outburst and threats, negotiate through step by step so that Jane realizes she can play ball or give up on getting the information out of Heather, then get a proper time for Jane to go make the invitation in a manner disturbingly similar to how Sophia always did. Jane's running the show, so she's a busy girl atm. Getting 5 minutes to iron her into doing the exact worst thing she could possibly do is going to take several minutes of trying to get her to make time to listen to enough of what Heather has to say to get her undivided attention. And then Jane's going to need to get the routines running properly before she takes a moment to chat with the Queen. So... I'm pretty sure that counts as 'half hour' and 'always something in the way'. Does mean Jacob's kinda flapping in the wind without an excuse to vanish and ask Hope questions, but maybe he'll learn enough more to add to the list of things to ask. Preferably without stepping on more landmines along the way.

Also, I adore the nickname Arya gave Elizabeth. I'm guessing she'd call the Queen that to her face? Being Jacob's sister, plus her general character, I see Arya being one of Elizabeth's least favorite people to try to handle. Not because of bullying or something like that, but just because she doesn't like her and there's nothing she can do about it.

Poor Hazel came so close to missing school a second day in a row. I love seeing how Heather fought for her sister, it was a nice way to balance out the look at why Lizzie's got scars. Yeesh. That was right in line with the sorts of things she did to Elizabeth!? No wonder she's worried about the Queen seeking revenge... But it should mean that the blackmail has some pretty serious punch as well. Talk about over achieving in layering protections on insuring it will get out if Heather herself doesn't stop it though. Yikes. The girl's not playing around, she means business. Also, glad to get an idea why she wanted to join the cheerleading team. I still think she's not being very self consistent, but now I get where she's coming from.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 03082024 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:25 pm

This took a while to get to, hopefully voting doesn't close while I'm typing this.

I think I'm going to abstain from the first question, each existing answer seems to have arguments people have made in its favor, and I'm not leaning towards any of the answers strongly enough to vote against any of the other posters.

[Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.] Jane's going to make the threats, and that's at least enough to force Heather to compromise, especially since if Jane eats her, she doesn't have the same ability to ruin her after-the-fact as she does with Elizabeth.

[Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.] He's had that talk with Hope, but that doesn't mean he's not still in the default of trying to solve everything, and he also gets worried that sticking with the original plan when they were wrong about the reactions could backfire and completely ruin everything. He isn't going to try to pull back and look for Hope just yet, Elizabeth sounds like she's in a state where she might go and eat Hazel if someone's not there to guide her in a different direction. But he's not going to try to actually leverage the new information, he's waiting on Hope for any changes to the plan on that scale.

[Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.] I was initially going to go for the answer above this one, under the reasoning that starting to slightly break down would make Elizabeth just double down harder on the image she tried to project, but arguments in other responses convinced me.

[15 minutes. Once she's got a minute between routines she approaches confidently.] She has to wait until it's actually a good time for it, or else she might look slightly desperate, which isn't what she wants to show when she actually is that desperate. But she isn't waiting longer than she needs to, and she would know how to set an encounter up.


So... carrying them both into the future by a few years, if she doesn't change course on the way she does things, Heather could reasonably end up a lot more dangerous than Jane could, or Elizabeth. Jane's people are mostly a few individuals who she gets to listen to her by various ways, but looking at the sort of thing Heather was able to set up, that sounds pretty close to an actual organized crime network.

Discussing the thing that was raised a few messages back about why I respond so differently to Heather than to Jane. I think that a bit part of it is definitely the order in which things were presented; for Jane, it was a long stretch of only the things she does now, and only much later do we find out what let to it, while for Heather, we find out the root cause first, at the same time as nonspecific references to what it led to, and we start seeing the worse parts of what she does only afterwards. Thinking back over it now, I'm realizing that I'm kind of starting to feel bad for Jane, too; but she still has to die, because if Jane doesn't, than Hazel and/or her family will instead, and Jane is also past the point where she can really reverse direction, while Heather isn't. A bit part of that is that Jane's a pred and isn't able to stop and live a peaceful life, Heather still can.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 08142024 » Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:09 am

03082024 wrote:[Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.] He's had that talk with Hope, but that doesn't mean he's not still in the default of trying to solve everything, and he also gets worried that sticking with the original plan when they were wrong about the reactions could backfire and completely ruin everything. He isn't going to try to pull back and look for Hope just yet, Elizabeth sounds like she's in a state where she might go and eat Hazel if someone's not there to guide her in a different direction. But he's not going to try to actually leverage the new information, he's waiting on Hope for any changes to the plan on that scale.


No!!!! Arguments from a character's confirmed weaknesses... my one weakness. Damn, I'm going to have to swap votes on what Jacob does to something clearly far less optimal. He absolutely would try to fix it himself, and he'd focus on the potential problems over any potential positives. I mean, I couldn't give him the W on spotting the positives to begin with... that's why I wanted him to call Hope. I see plenty of potential positives... but everything is going off script and our lovable boy is going to assume that's Bad and try to get it back on the rails. I will put forward that, once Heather's moves are looking to isolate Elizabeth from him anyways, Jacob would call Hope for her input and for any proper changes to the plan - he simply wouldn't seek the opportunity actively and until the machinations of other parties provide that chance he'd operate under the assumption that, yes, this is a [Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.]
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Wed Apr 02, 2025 6:58 pm

Well, this is an interesting set of votes to consider. There's a three way tie I need to break and a tie I need to break, but most votes had a clear winner. So, looking at said clear winners first and then my reasons for breaking the ties in the direction that I did.

<Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.> - Jacob's got his heart in the right place, and he's trying his best for the team but our boy doesn't understand that the source of Elizabeth's strongest outrage is actually a very good sign and indicates a much higher chance that Elizabeth is a specific type of Pred. You see, there's a few different ways that Preds handled sex and... hunting... during the oldest times and several of those instincts remain. It's one of the main sources of the 'hunting types' from a biological perspective. In broad strokes, a Pred will either primarily target women or primarily target men. Out of those that target women, they either were eliminating their own competition for the right to reproduce – Hazel is the perfect example – or they were reducing social burden after the best window for fertility was past – I plan to take Arya this direction if we ever get that far. Out of those who target men, they were either eliminating the low value men that didn't have enough to offer the gene pool and collect some semen on their way – Dawn and her overweight hunting type, along with her hard sold 'fuck then eat' instinct once she was on stuff that eliminated her inhibitions, is the example I'll pick – or they were eliminating any legitimate competition for the man they'd chosen to be the father of the tribe's next generation – Victoria, though we'll only ever see her in broken flashbacks, is an EXCELLENT example. Unsurprisingly to anyone paying attention, one these very broad categories will EASILY fold into Hope's design... though in the strictest sense any could, and I can use Hazel – the poster child for the most resistant type of Pred - stepping aside for Jennifer to prove that. So, if Jacob's going to be useful in adjusting course... he should do what he can to discover which bucket Elizabeth fits, ask after her hunting types and use what he knows about how that connects to other things. Sex and the Pred's hunting types are very deeply tied, and he's proven enough interest in vore to have done some leg work on the ways they tie together. It also means that a Pred's hunting type is generally considered a rather private thing you don't talk about. Yes, yes, yes... Dawn went there with Hazel. Dawn also candidly spoke of fucking random boys before eating them in practically the same breath.

<Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.> - I think I see Jane giving her enough grief about what constitutes a single order that Heather's going to have to burn multiple orders to get Jane to portray herself as Heather's underling in a very convincing manner. But, to 08142024's point, once that label gets attached Jane's going to take irreparable damage to her reputation with Elizabeth. And 3 orders does give Heather enough orders to burn to make it happen too. I think 2 orders is all it would take. "Tell your friend I want to talk, just us girls." And then, "get your cousin to give us 5 minutes alone." And that leaves Heather with a remaining order to make Jane obey her in front of Lizzie. That's more than enough as a total to "confirm" things to the Queen, though being Heather's subordinate is still a position of power relative to the Queen. Historically at least.

<Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.> - Yeah. Having Jane presented, convincingly if equally briefly, is absolutely going make the Queen "break character" to borrow GrayLotus's turn of phrase for it. If things shake out the way I'm thinking they might while at the drawing board for how Jane's presented that way... it's a testament to how tough Elizabeth is mentally that she doesn't straight melt down. Your best friend of 3-4 years who has had the degree of influence on you that Jane's had on Elizabeth turns out to have been working for your worst enemy and nightmare all along? That's complete meltdown material. That it's not true doesn't matter much if Heather does a good job of presenting it as true compared to Jane's efforts to clarify that it is NOT true prior to understanding how severe the consequences of it being true would be. Because once Jane understands that part of the game... of course now you want to deny it!

<Half hour. There's always something in the way..> - I picked this simply because I wanted the time and space for... spoiler... before... spoiler... and spoiler. Look, read the section when it comes out, I plan to make obvious what's happening as this section is wrapped up.

<Vital. While Hope didn't have time to even try to update the plan to reflect Heather's involvement, she intended to warn them about the element of chaos as soon as she was aware herself.> - I decided that it would be good for Hope and Heather to have had a moment to straighten each other out at least minimally. It basically came down to deciding that Heather would get out of the way after doing her bit and Hope learning some key phrases from Elizabeth's personalized training. Especially communicated was that if Heather saw a way to discredit Jane firmly, take the opening... though Hope repeatedly stressed the dangers of the Queen if Heather insisted on using her own fail safes instead of working with the group's.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:03 am

<Bad Sign. He needs to adjust course on the fly.>

While her friend didn't seem to appreciate Elizabeth's front of impatience, the strategy proved effective in diverting Heather from entering her safe space. As Jane turned from her approach and started calling names to demand to know why they hadn't at least gotten warm ups done and otherwise properly prepared, Elizabeth turns her attention back to Jacob at last. "Where were we again?" Elizabeth asks him, seeing clouds of thought marring Jacob's powerful features. Seeing Heather had almost totally driven from her mind what had her so furious mere seconds ago. She'd be able to unearth it from her memory if she chose, but Elizabeth preferred to give Jacob the opportunity to change the subject if he so desired and avoid topics that were upsetting and confusing while the succubus lurked in the corner of her eye.

Her Jacob reddened, but spoke anyways. "I had intended to ask you about your hunting types while we were face to face like this, but if you-"

Despite her own embarrassment, Elizabeth cut him off before he could retract the question. "I don't mind telling you Jacob." Her own face was crimson, and thoughts of Heather and Jane faded to the farthest corners of her mind as she demurely assured her husband that she would satisfy his curiosity. Not that she wouldn't need a moment to make sure they were properly isolated and gather her courage. A Pred's hunting types were the sort of thing not often discussed and, when necessary, usually were spoken of in private instead of semi public like this. Different families and cultures gave it a different exact degree of weight on a scale of privacy, but the range usually started as on par with sharing what size underwear a girl wore and went to being just as severe as speaking of the most extreme fetishes a woman wished to indulge in the bedroom.

A hunting type went deeper than just who looked tastier when a Pred was enduring Cravings. It was more involved then just what people a Pred thought had the best flavor. There was more to it than being the group that a Pred was most desperate to justify devouring. The Pred's body has a dense web of interactions that go off to reward her for eating her hunting type, and many of those interactions tend to confuse sexual pleasure with the pleasure of eating. Vore itself was already pleasant without the added bonus, but when Elizabeth ate her hunting type was the only time she was ever even tempted to masturbate to the demise or absorption of her prey. Her blue eyed god replied firmly to her assurance. "You don't have to tell me. I... wasn't thinking things through before asking that."

"It's okay. I want to tell you." Elizabeth said, her own voice much stronger and more sure. Even so, she looked around to make sure they were alone and when she saw that they were she insisted he lean down so she could whisper it softly into his ear and avoid even the chance someone 20 feet away would overhear. "I've only found 2 of mine so far. The stronger is that I absolutely love eating big, athletic, dominant boys. The full on jock types, not just someone of your size and strength. The weaker type is that I really... enjoy... putting away any sort of criminal element. Rebels, bullies, thieves, gangsters. Anyone who refuses to abide by law and order really, and it doesn't have to be my law for it to make my tummy happy to enforce justice."

"Have you ever eaten someone that fit both?" Jacob asked, his mind clearly churning on something. It was the sort of question he'd ask more because he didn't want to let the conversation die then because he wanted to know, though it wouldn't have occurred to him unless he was curious. Elizabeth knew he was more thoughtful about how embarrassing the answer could easily be when he wasn't excited or distracted, and he hadn't sounded all that excited when he asked.

"Maybe." Elizabeth admitted with a blush. She had indeed eaten one jock at Pred High who was rebelling against her authority and had been caught stealing from the school. That was the only meal she ever given in to the temptation that so often accompanied eating her hunting types, and she was not at all proud of having gotten off on his demise. "Tell me what's on your mind and I might tell you more." Elizabeth offered, wanting to head off any follow up questions and to understand what was on her husband's mind.

"It's nothing." Jacob lied directly, refusing to let his wife in.

'I guess I'll have to figure out how to drag it out of you then.' Elizabeth thought, not happy in the slightest that he wouldn't share.
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<Vital. While Hope didn't have time to even try to update the plan to reflect Heather's involvement, she intended to warn them about the element of chaos as soon as she was aware herself.>

When Heather had learned the actual intent of the fake girlfriend act, she'd been completely flabbergasted. It had forced her to wonder if she'd actually been double bluffed and Hope was entirely the airhead bimbo that she acted like. There was no way whatsoever she was going to involve herself in that scheme, so Heather had opted to seek information on the timing, location and supporting effects involved. She could at least tell that the plan involved no danger at all to Hazel, so Heather so no reason to stop Hope and Jacob from double suicide... it would remove a pair of people that only brought her big sister trouble. Since she wasn't going to try to stop it and she refused to take part directly – Heather could only see one role available if she did that and while that scumbag would probably jizz his pants if she even pretended Heather had far less than no interest in even pretending to be part of Jacob's little harem. But since she wasn't going to stop it or participate, Heather could only support things and make sure that true minimum goals were met.

Like ripping apart Jane and Lizzie's friendship. That was trouble for everyone, and Heather had a far better position to do something about it then anyone else. All she needed to do was find the right time to have a second and chat with Jane about her dad first. There was no faster way to destroy a relationship then to get the people involved to do it themselves, and it worked even better if they were unaware that they were doing it. As long as Lizzie cared enough about her image in front of the tough, competitive cheerleader, there was exactly no chance that Jane knew her history so it should be a breeze as long as the leverage actually worked as intended. With Jane it could backfire and have the volatile girl go off or make counter threats instead of submit like a normal person.

Finding an opening to speak to the acting Head Cheerleader, Heather decided to be aggressive. "Your family is lying to you about your father. If you want to know more, lets talk in private." Heather informed Jane in a low voice, hugging her in what could be taken as simple joy in having done an exceptionally good job at the first routine. There was a vast difference in their ability to conjure an opportunity to speak in private, so Heather intended to allow the person with authority create such a chance. But as she moved to separate, Jane pulled her back in harshly.

"This better be good or you are fucking dead, you understand me?" Jane whispers, and Heather cannot help but be amused how much affection Jane could put into a literal death threat. She turns her loose after copping a feel of Heather's ass, snapping out instructions for the next routine and criticizing almost everyone for something that they could have done better. Then she has one of the Sophomores take over calling the cheer and pulls Heather from the group to talk in private.
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'Why is Jane dragging Heather off like that? This should be her big chance to show off in front of Liz, what could possibly convince her to leave off on that?' Jacob wondered. He almost felt like calling attention to it, except Liz had already expressed that she wasn't liking how focused on the activity in front of them he was. 'I'm sorry that watching cheerleaders is more enjoyable then looking at you. Seriously... I thought this would be so much easier. The moment I stop pushing it out of my mind it's stuck right back at the top. DAMN you are unattractive. I need to get you talking again and avoid discussing Jennifer, but you've all but cornered me on it being her on my mind. This is NOT how things were supposed to go.' Jacob thought with fervor.

"Come on... just talk to me." Liz begged, her hand holding his arm in a tight, firm grasp. She had his hand rubbing along the inside of her thigh, a thick tree trunk to support her overblown eyesore of an ass. He couldn't stop despite how desperately he wanted to, Liz's grip far beyond his ability to break. If it were even slightly tighter, it would become painful enough that his pride would allow him to call her out for hurting him, but Liz was toeing that line carefully at the moment. "I promise I'm not going to be mad if it's about the..." Liz paused and took a deep breath, her face contorting as she forced herself to change the way she was going to refer to Jennifer. She'd made the mistake of calling Jennifer a whore to his face just a couple minutes ago, and he'd torn into her before he thought about what he was saying. But it certainly seemed to have had an impact. "Your... ex."

'You don't have to look so tormented in stating a damn fact Liz. I don't even remember how many times I told you that on the phone.' Jacob thought as he took in the heart wrenching look on Elizabeth's face as the Queen admitted a measure of legitimacy to his prior relationship. "Look... it's about that, but not about that at the same time. It's..." Jacob sighs. "It's complicated." He remembered that he was supposed to be ambiguous by this point, so claiming things were complicated at least was a way he couldn't go wrong while he continued trying to recall what he'd learned about different combinations of hunting types. 'I know I saw somewhere that Preds that consider various sorts of alpha males as their hunting type are often the most open towards being one of multiple partners. But Preds that target other Preds as a hunting type are the most CLOSED towards it... and Liz is both. What does that mean for our plan? Should we just pull out now?'

"I understand baby." Liz whined, pressing herself against him further and letting her dissatisfaction color her tone only in the gentlest and most disappointed of ways instead of letting anger show. Her reactions had completely changed tone when he'd gone off. It was starting to seriously freak him out how shameless and needy Liz was acting. If she pushed his hand any further up her thigh he'd be fingering her! "I'll listen carefully to all of it Jacob, you can take your time and walk me through it."
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<Yes. Jane threatens to eat her if she doesn't spill – Heather promises she'll lie if Jane tries it. Jane grudgingly yields, agreeing to follow 3 orders for the accurate information.>

The moment they were inside and out of both line of sight to the field and view of any cameras Jane had picked Heather up and slammed her brutally against the nearest wall, putting her face mere inches from the younger girl's. "What the hell do you THINK you know about Daddy!?" Jane demanded, her voice shrill and the look in her icy blue eyes near insane.

"Only that the rest of your family is lying to you about him. And what the truth actually is." Heather answers in a groan, keeping the firmest lid on her terror she could. The last time she'd been this exposed to immediate danger had been... the faces of Leif and Victoria slid over Jane's and Heather shivers as her self control fractures. She starts kicking and struggling despite knowing how useless it would be against a Pred with Jane's experience and strength. Jane had to weigh at least double what Heather did, and likely much more than that, so even assuming strength was linear with weight... it was akin to a child facing an adult. In fact, Jane outweighed Heather now by about the same ratio as Leif had outweighed her years ago.

"I'm not after your fucking dodges bitch." Jane snarls, placing her fist on Heather's gut gently. Then shoving it in with such power that Heather couldn't draw a full breath. Jane let go with her other hand, keeping Heather pinned to the wall by the sheer pressure on her stomach. "What do you know about my Daddy!? What could my famil-" Jane's eyes widen as she realizes the only thing that her family could reasonably be lying to her about when it came to a man she believed was dead... because her family told her he was. "He's alive?" Jane whispers, her voice like honey as her face got even closer, a smile that made Heather's insides turn inside out decorating her face. From the softness in her eyes it seemed that she had entirely forgotten her fist nailing Heather to the wall.

Originally Heather had planned to keep everything back. Anything she confirmed in advance was that much less value she had to trade with. But the way Jane was acting had made her walls completely collapse, she needed to move the other girl into a more suitable mindset for negotiation. Besides, Heather always calculated a certain chance Jane would figure that part out just on the basis of there being something to discuss. Confirming that her guess was right should increase Heather's hold immensely right now, and that should mean Jane won't think she can afford to keep being so aggressive. "Yes..." Heather wheezed, taking gasps for air on every word. "He... was... transferred... I... know... where... he... is... now."

She was dropped on her ass as Jane stands straight. The cheerleader was on another planet, her face reddened and glowing as she gleefully giggled. Both her hands flew to her cheeks, the fingers spread as they touched at her mouth and a trembling smile pushed through her efforts to suppress it. "Daddy's alive... he's alive! He didn't get fed to some slut whore on death row! I have to go find him... there's so much to catch up on, and I just know he's going to love how his sexy girl's grown up." Jane squeals with what Heather could only assess as insane giddiness. Clearly it was the best news Jane had heard all year, the cheerleader wiggling in the most inappropriate way with the overabundance of her excitement.

'Wait a second... did Jane just say her dad called her his sexy girl!?' Heather realized a few moments late, horror filling her as she suddenly wondered exactly WHY the information had been strictly kept from Jane. It took an extremely firm order to suppress even Arya's runaway mouth, but that was exactly the sort of control the Holden clan exercised when it came to Jane's father. "He's probably all kinds of pent up too. I'm sure he'd just love it if I gave him a release after I explain how everyone tricked me. Yes... Daddy never could resist his sexy girl, and he's got even less chance of resisting me now." Jane giggles smugly, oblivious to Heather's growing horror or the feeble efforts to put even an inch more distance between herself and the crazed Pred.

Unfortunately it didn't take long for Jane to focus back on the present, the gleam in her eye completely devoid of humanity or sanity. "You said you know where my Daddy is? Where? Where is he?" Jane asked eagerly, starving for the information with such feral zeal that Heather was terrified, wondering what possibly could have happened to break someone as strong as Jane into an animal like this. Not thinking clearly enough to pick Heather up again, Jane instead opted to crawl over her, waving her ass behind her enticingly as if wagging a nonexistent tail. Eagerness oozed from every pore of Jane's body as she repeated herself in a giddy tone. "Come on, tell me. Where is my Daddy?"

Heather steeled herself with all her efforts. She'd severely underestimated the difficulty of handling Jane, and there were entire dimensions to her leverage that she hadn't counted on or understood before she pulled the trigger. But it was equally clear that the information was FAR more valuable to Jane than she'd ever imagined it might be, and she needed to milk that for anything it was worth. "That he's alive is free, but if you want to know where he is... that's expensive info." Heather forces herself to say.

Instantly Jane's water blue eyes hardened into sapphires, though the rest of her remained as melted with excitement before. It created a terrifying dichotomy in her expression and her body language, and Jane was obviously aware of the effect it had on others. "Is it as expensive as your life? I can take you completely off the target list for my bet with your sister if you tell me. If that's not immediate enough for it to be real... how about I eat you if you haven't told me in the next 10 seconds? Ten, Nine, Eight..." Jane started counting down, a childish tint to her voice.

This threat Heather was prepared for at least. The bone chilling delivery aside, she'd known that Jane would obviously realize that she could just eat Heather if she wouldn't say something. But there was a downside to the threat that the cheerleader didn't have a way around. "Try eating me or anyone I care about for the information and I'll change all the details." Heather growls. "I'm not going to be able to say nothing when you're doing your all to break me. I'm not that strong and we both know it. I might even get pushed hard enough that I give mostly the right address. But all it takes for you to go on a wild goose chase is for me to change ONE part of the address they moved him to. You don't even know if he's in a halfway house, under house arrest, still in a jail or if he's in high security. ANY address would need proper investigation before you could discard it, and not knowing what part is the lie means you could spend months tracking variations. Or do you think your family is going to tell you just because you know he's alive? For even Arya to keep so quiet about it someone with a ton of influence in the family issued the gag order. I'm guessing your Gran. Are you ready to openly cross her to dig the information out of your family?"

That made Jane sit up and give Heather her space again, her body language hardening much further. The cheer captain mused thoughtfully, red still suffusing her face. "You wouldn't wait so long to pull this out just to make the squad... so what's your game? Like you said, this is expensive information and I know how much you hate to come out behind on a trade. What do you want?" Jane's voice was still honeyed, and a smile ghosted her lips even as she asked.

'Good, that should be all the hardest parts behind me.' Heather thinks with relief, recognizing that Jane had admitted she couldn't bully the information out of her and was sitting down to negotiate properly. "I just need you to follow my orders for today. There's a number of things I need a Pred for, and I can admit that several of the most immediate are related to your friend on the bleachers." Heather says, doing her best to present as laying her cards on the table openly.

"Not happening." Jane laughs. "I'm not going to write you a full day's blank check while Liz is visiting. Especially if you're planning to somehow play me off her. I'm guessing you've learned from your sister how close me and the Queen are if you were going to try that? I'll follow ONE order as long as it's not going to turn me and Liz against each other."

Heather giggles to vent some of her terror. She hoped it didn't sound strained or scared. "Yes, I heard how close you are. But that's exactly why I need you to pave the way so I can talk to her. Convince her to give Hazel a chance to build a working relationship together despite the animosity between you, possibly get her to have the two of you be friends. But apart from giving me a proper introduction to the Queen and helping facilitate our discussion I have some folks that it would be very, very nice to have vanished... and unlike my sister I think you're willing to ignore the legalities of eating someone 16 or 17 years old?" Heather puts her hand on her chest to indicate herself, a reminder that she was of that age and Jane had freely threatened to devour her only a minute or two ago. "I think I can make due with 5 orders if you insist. One each for the number, the street, the city, the state and the zip code."

Clearly Jane hadn't expected Heather to agree to her initial savage counter proposal, and she gave the more restrained offer of a mere 5 orders some thought. Then she shook her head. "No... you're up to something. Don't think I don't know who Marissa answers to in the dark. 3 orders. Address, city and state, zip code. And I have the right to refuse anything I deem extreme. If all you want with Liz is an introduction and some support from a friend, that should give all you could possibly need and leave you an order or two to take out your problems. Or you might mismanage what orders you give, I'm just going to count how many I've followed."

"If you want to be picky about what orders to follow AND you want to be calculating about when you've done your 3 orders than you need to allow some counterbalance. It's only an order if I give it to you by calling you by your last name, and you can't refuse more than 2 distinct orders." Heather says, standing up. "A refusal counts for all rewording of the refused order."

"Define... distinct orders." Jane answers, her eyes narrowed in thought.

"To be distinct the order would either need to achieve a different effect or achieve the end a different way. If the refused order were 'bring your friend to this spot for us to talk', than changing location I ask you to bring her to doesn't count as a distinct order. It would still be trying to summon the Queen through you. On the other hand, 'call me over while you and your friend are alone' would be distinct because it has a different effect. That's entering her court by your personal invitation. Either way I'm still getting introduced to your friend by you, but the circumstances are different enough to be distinct from each other." Heather explains, using an example of how similar things that she could demand could look while highlighting the core facet of what separated a rewording of the same order from a new, distinct order.

Jane mulled it over briefly before sharply nodding. "Deal."
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<Poorly. Once the proper pressures are placed on her the Queen completely forsakes her image, allowing her immature and bratty side to show.>

Feeling her self control slip, Elizabeth pressed Jacob's hand against her drooling lips again. There was no way he couldn't feel the heat coming from her core, but Elizabeth hoped he at least couldn't feel how wet she was. The way he'd exploded when she called... his ex... a whore? The fury and masculine dominance he'd exuded in demanding she retract the slur? Intoxicating wasn't nearly a strong enough word. Enthralling, captivating, heart stopping... hypnotizing. She needed release. She needed him so badly.

And he was avoiding looking at her. 'Why is that making it even worse!?' Elizabeth whined in her mind, watching his gaze landing on a number of the different cheerleaders. He was being careful not to stare at any of them for too long, but it was obvious which ones he was giving the most attention to. Nothing about his preferences had shifted in the least, and that meant that she had to be close to the ugliest girl here in his eyes. It ripped at her heart, but her treasonous womanhood only bubbled harder as if it wanted to make his hand damp as she held it against her.

At least he'd finally given over and told her all about how he'd started... dating... his ex. After he'd asked Hazel out and been turned down – which she'd have to make sure Hazel sorely regretted even if he said he was over it – the other Pred had never gotten clarity that he was taken. They'd changed classes and hadn't met again until Jane was bullying Hazel and... his ex. He was clearly embarrassed to admit it, but he'd stepped in and defused the situation. Elizabeth was certain he'd done a lot more to be a hero to the girls than he told her, and she made a note to herself to demand a proper explanation from Jane later. His... ex... had tried several times to ask him out and he'd turned her down gently. Until one day Hazel revealed that she was her OAO and had pushed.

How was her sweet, innocent, strong Jacob supposed to say no to that? His face as he mentioned that part told Elizabeth that there was more to the story, something he still wasn't saying. But she could be content with knowing that he'd only been trying to take care of his crush's OAO. That he had a heart overflowing with enough love to lavish it freely on a dying girl even though he was already married. Surely if he had that much love to give he could find enough to give her some attention despite how unappealing she must look to him? She'd survived this long on so little, she didn't need much!

"Did... did you...?" Elizabeth asked, her voice shaking with a mixture of dread and desire. She'd been quivering in silence while rubbing his hand against her clothed womanhood for a while after his explanation had ended. At multiple points she'd felt him trying strongly to pull away, allowing him an inch or so before slowly dragging it back. She couldn't make herself finish her question, the mix of feelings already completely overwhelming her. Elizabeth was terrified to face herself and honestly assess if she hoped that Jacob had let his... ex... die a virgin or if she hoped he'd taken proper care of her after all.

"Did I what?" Jacob asks, turning from the tryouts and looking into her eyes. Immediately Elizabeth tugged needily on his arm, trying to scratch the itch burning inside her with his hand. He pulled firmly against the motion, but he wasn't nearly strong enough to stop her when she was determined. She shook her head, unable to frame a response under his gaze. Her mind couldn't even process words that weren't centered on how perfect the blue eyed god she worshiped was.

That was when Jane joined them. "Sorry for taking so long to come and see you Liz. I hope I'm not interrupting anything?" The taller girl asks with a raised eyebrow, eyeing the position of Jacob's hand and taking in the red of Elizabeth's face. Immediately it penetrated the Queen's horny, desperate mind how public they were when she was being so vulgarly forward. No wonder her Jacob stubbornly was resisting her! She turned his hand loose in embarrassment, denying that there was any interruption.

The moment his hand was free, Jacob scooted over and offered Jane a seat between them. Her feelings turned against her, Elizabeth understanding why he felt the need for a buffer after how she'd acted. A man had no more power to resist a Pred determined to rape him than a normal woman had of resisting an armed man. Elizabeth had been abusing the gap in strength to force him, and had even been doing it publicly! She just wanted to hide herself and crawl in a hole!!! But Jane didn't take his invitation right away, waiting for Elizabeth's nod accepting the arrangement. She deserved to have a chaperon watching that she didn't take advantage of her blue eyed god after how she'd been acting. "How's the tryouts going?" Elizabeth asked, needing something to get her mind out of the gutter.

"Just like you've seen for yourself." Jane laughed carelessly. "So far I'm thinking Amethyst and Faith are definite candidates to approve." She pointed to a pair of girls that Elizabeth had thought were part of the squad already from how they'd performed, and then she picked out another pair. Elizabeth's blood ran cold at the sudden reminder that the succubus was right here watching her make a fool of herself this entire time, and she missed what Jane said about that pair.

It was astonishing that she hadn't seen Jacob watching the walking nightmare... she was almost perfectly his type from what Elizabeth could see. She shivered as fear enhanced her arousal to the point that she pushed over the brink at last. To cover both her fear and what had occurred in her core, Elizabeth chose to bluff as hard as she could. "Tell me more about the Heather girl." She demanded, the barest hint of a tremble in her voice. The side eye she gets from her friend tells her that Jane had caught it even though it goes unremarked on.

"Actually, she did mention that she wanted to talk to you." Jane said instead. "She wanted it to be only the girls when we talked though... Jacob, you won't mind giving us a few minutes alone right?"

Elizabeth yelped as though scalded, reaching across Jane to grab hold of Jacob before he could leave. "Don't go Jacob, please, please, please don't go!" She begged, memories of terror filling her. ANY boy was far better than the succubus, and Jacob was the best shield she'd ever enjoyed. She could NOT let him abandon her to the mercies of Heather's games. Especially not isolated with someone who was echoing the invitation she'd had ingrained into her nightmares. She really, really wanted to believe her friend had just been tricked... but her very respect for Jane's near omniscience made it impossible to see the choice of wording as coincidence and even harder to buy that Jane didn't know what effect those words would have on her. She had instantly been transported back to Middle School in her mind, with Sophia's face ghosting over Jane's.

"It'll only be for a few minutes Liz. I have a phone call I need to make anyways." Jacob said, trying to pry her grip loose. She tightened her grip further, headless of her strength in her terror. His face started to pale and tighten in agony as she begged again for him not to leave, completely uncaring how clingy it would make her look.

"Liz, I get that you want to spend as much time as possible with him, but it's not the end of the world that he goes off for just a minute." Jane broke in, grabbing her wrist and trying to help Jacob pry loose her grip. Elizabeth tightened her grip further to keep the other Pred from peeling her only protection out of her grasp. This time Jane's voice carried the snap of clear authority. "LIZ! You're hurting him! Stop freaking out before you break his wrist!"

>Elizabeth deals 39 damage to Jacob, which is reduced by 1 due to Jacob's Resistance.<
>Jacob has lost over 1/5th of his hp, with the damage concentrated in a single spot. Bones are definitely broken.<

Between them they'd managed to momentarily dislodge one of her hands, but as they focused on the remaining hand Elizabeth renewed her first hold. Except now she was using all her strength, expecting to be fighting against both Jacob's efforts to dislodge her and Jane's far more significant power. She felt bones snapping under her fingers and Jacob howled in sharp, sudden agony. "LIZ!?" Jane screeched, a sound she never expected to hear from the cheerleader. The angle of Jacob's arm was bent enough for it to be obvious what had happened, and the combination of her fury at herself and the terror still coursing through her veins made Elizabeth lash out as she finally released her man.

>Elizabeth deals 45 damage to Jane, which is reduced by 5 due to Jane's Resistance. Elizabeth's Exhaustion is increased by 1.<
>Jane has lost over 1/5th of her hp. Liz, what the actual fuck!?<

"Do NOT call me THAT!" The Queen screamed as she decked her best friend full in the face. Even Jane was flattened instantly under the impact of the Queen's fury. In the back of Elizabeth's mind, a voice told her that she needed to stop. That she was dancing to the tune of the succubus by lashing out. Somehow, someway... this was going to have been exactly what Heather wanted. As Jane pulled herself back up from getting laid out across the bleachers, Elizabeth grabbed her by the throat. She growled in her fury, determining that she was going to to face her trauma head on. Without the girl she thought was her friend. "Never call me Liz again. Do you understand!? NEVER!"

Jane's eyes were wide and startled as she met the Queen's wrathful gaze. They'd never really done a staring contest before, but whatever she saw in Elizabeth's eyes made her react the way everyone at school did. She was buckling under the royal WILL. Far slower then most, but she was still caving to the sheer PRESSURE of the Queen's gaze. It wasn't going to be simple to break Jane. Elizabeth had experienced a few people who could at least match her eyes the entire time. They were always the strongest personalities. Elizabeth ended up eating them or they graduated as one of Elizabeth's best friends of the year. No middle ground.
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<Half hour. There's always something in the way.>

"Drop her Lizzie." Heather found herself commanding with calm and control. She'd known that it would traumatize her victim to use Jane as an isolating proxy, but the extent of the reaction had far exceeded her expectations. It was immensely reassuring to Heather, as the greater the reaction caused by a simple probe the deeper the trauma beneath the surface sprawled. As Heather knew first hand. If this was how badly her victim was carrying her scars, then Heather had complete control.

Not even the look in Lizzie's eyes as she turned her gaze from Jane made any impression on Heather. Glaring at someone was easy, even if it was a skill that her personal toy appeared to have put a lot of effort into perfecting. Backing it up was another matter. Jane broke the silence between her and Lizzie, wheezing out words through the stranglehold that the short girl had her in. "You... tricked me!" The cheerleader said with unlimited venom lacing the words.

"It's a little late to be realizing that now." Heather admits candidly. "You can still try being my underling instead you know. I always take care of my own. Partner though? I would expect someone worthy of that title to be able to take care of herself." The look in Lizzie's eyes shakes, her resolve crumbling as she looks from Jane, who obviously protested with everything she could, to Heather. She continues walking forward, calmly controlling each person involved. Thankfully Jacob had removed himself far enough, escaping through the bleachers when Lizzie had punched Jane. Compared to how risky things had been with Jane less than half an hour ago this was nothing. "I thought I told you to drop her Lizzie?" She asks the question calmly, making no threats and offering no reason that it should be obeyed now when her victim had already proven Heather couldn't punish her disobedience.

A solid thud follows the inevitable collapse of Lizzie's will to resist, depositing Jane on the ground. "That's a good girl." Heather purrs, now within arm's reach of Lizzie herself. "We're going to have to play a penalty game for trying to get out of our chat before we're done, but why don't we start with why I called you out today?" She kept walking forward the whole time, and Lizzie started backing away before they touched, climbing backwards up the bleachers.

"S-stop right there" Lizzie stammered, still retreating. She was on the second to the top row of the bleachers and towards the middle. With only them on the structure it would easily hold even under Lizzie's weight, though if she tested the edges they might crumble outward and it was clear to Heather that her toy was aware of that. Behind Heather Jane was staring, stunned by the simplicity with which the Queen was being manhandled. That was the direction of danger, not in front of Heather.

"What, you don't want to let me see if you've kept your hair properly conditioned for me?" Heather smirked, taking another step forward. One of the most basic principals of control was to act in ways that kept everyone else off balance. If she hadn't set this up so carefully, Lizzie would still have plenty of emotional strength to resist with. She stopped there though, in line with another most basic principal. NEVER push too far too fast. "Fine, be a spoilsport. You'll like the game I have in mind for today. Do you know what choices you have before you right now?" When Lizzie shook her head, Heather whispered her answer. "You can pick between having me join the girls and all the memories we created together will be plastered across Pred High, or you can apologize for eating them and promise to be a good girl from now on. If you do, I'll forgive you and let you off with just that this time. I know it's dreadfully hard to control yourself when you Awaken after all."

There was a fierce struggle on Lizzie's face, the weakling that Heather was used to struggling against the persona of a Queen that she'd adopted. Heather expected this wouldn't be an easy choice for her victim to make, as getting rid of Heather had to be a tempting prospect even with such a steep penalty attached. That's why the alternative was, in essence, an acknowledgment that nothing had changed in the status quo. Heather was still the boss with all the power and Lizzie was still her personal toy. Heather wouldn't hold any grudges and Lizzie wouldn't use her personal prowess to rebel. While Lizzie was still waffling, Heather could hear the sound of someone much more determined coming up behind her. She spoke without taking her eyes off Lizzie. "Holden, stand down and wait. I'll tell you the address once I'm done with Lizzie here. A deal IS a deal, and if the goods aren't genuine I'll pay whatever price you want. But in the meantime... you've already paid a lot more than you intended on. Do you want to lose the only payout on offer for your investment? Do you really want to walk away from this encounter empty handed, this close to what you want most?"

She could hear Jane grinding her teeth at the order. It was the last order to fulfill their deal, and Heather had made sure to burn Jane's refusal rights before the cheerleader went to talk to Elizabeth. If Jane didn't stop, she lost her only thread to her father on top of antagonizing the most powerful Pred her age. Even with how volatile and wild Jane was, even with her wide rebellious streak, even being the epitome of an uncontrollable element... there was no way Jane would cross the line after coming this far. She was too smart to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially when she had this much skin in the game. Heather kept her gaze locked on Lizzie's eyes even as she heard the cheerleader start cursing under her breath, but she stopped moving. From the sound, Jane was probably 2 rows back... not a comfortable distance, but enough that Heather still retained her control.

"I-I" Lizzie started to stammer, then stopped and swallowed. "I'm so-sor-sorry." She forced out, the words obviously paining her. It wasn't acceptable yet. Heather needed her total awareness of her surrender for a real victory, and then time for it to cement. Her mind started working through options for the penalty game as she demanded Lizzie speak up and explain exactly what she was sorry for.

>66 Consume<

That was when Jane had hit her final limit. "Oh fuck it. I can drag it out of Arya much easier than THIS!" Before Heather could turn around to regain control of Jane she was grabbed by the neck. "You're this scared of her Liz? You're blasting me just because you think I'm with her!? Open the hell up and I'll show you I'm not on her side! I'll ram this whore down your throat myself!" When Elizabeth hesitated, Jane roared furiously. "I said OPEN UP LIZZIE!!!"

>100 Consume<

In that moment Heather's perfect training, the utter control and brutal discipline she'd enforced for so long betrayed her. The only person Heather allowed to use that name was herself, and she'd embedded the name with the full weight of her authority. She'd shown Lizzie what happened to the other girls when they dared use her name for her toy, and ingrained on the deepest level that the only acceptable response to an order given alongside that name was total and immediate obedience. Moments after the horrified yelp, the unstoppable Queen's maw extended to full size, and Heather's world turned dark as she was brutally shoved forward by Jane's enraged hands. Almost in the same breath, Heather felt the world tilting as Elizabeth's balance was shoved far off center by the combined weight of Jane and Heather along with the cheerleader's aggression. For a moment it seemed like something might have caught her, but then Heather felt Jane's arms entering Lizzie's throat alongside her own chest and there was a sense of weightlessness for a moment. Then she was sucked into the depths of her victim along with the girl she'd tricked when the Queen landed flat on her back and the full power of her reflexes took control of her swallowing.
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The instant he'd gotten clear Jacob had called Hope, determined to stay near and on hand until he was absolutely sure he couldn't help anymore. What had gotten into Liz was utterly beyond him, but his entire experience beside her had deeply convinced him that all of them were still seriously underestimating how unhinged and dangerous Liz really was. "Come on, come on, pick up." Jacob growled, hearing someone talking Liz down. He couldn't see very well who it was, and the pain of his broken arm was demanding rather a lot of his attention. He was trying to set the bones himself so that a trip to the nurse's office and then probably to a proper hospital could wait until AFTER everything got settled.

"This better be good if you're leaving her unattended and calling me in the middle of class." Hope remarked as she picked up. 'As if I would call you for something short of an emergency. I'm not some helpless little kid!' Jacob thought, pain and fury at her attitude mingling.

"How about Liz broke my arm for starters, and then we can move to the other insane ways she's been acting?" Jacob hissed through his teeth.

"She WHAT!? Explain everything that happened around that. She should never have been able to make herself hurt you like that." Hope demands, and Jacob can hear her rapidly walking the hallways. Doubtless she'd soon be here in person to make her own assessments and talk face to face instead of relying entirely on his description and tone.

"Jane gave me an opening to take a few minutes away and she latched onto me." Jacob groaned. "She was begging me not to go like she thought her life depended on it, and it took both me AND Jane to force her to let go at all. Then she took a new hold, and I'm guessing she was using the sort of strength that she'd already been applying against our combined efforts to pry her off me and without Jane's strength holding it back... SNAP."

"Wait... Jane not only told you to walk away for a bit, giving you a perfect opportunity to scheme against her with new information, but she physically helped try to stop the Lizard from restraining you!?" Hope stopped dead in her tracks. "Jacob... where is Heather right now?"

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> So... Heather and Jane are in the Queen's gut together. They've got TONS of reason not to work together right now as they have royally screwed each other over in some of the worst ways they could in the last 5 minutes. But now their lives depend on each other if there's even going to be a JOKE of a chance of them surviving. What does Heather do?
[Keep her wits about her. Jane's still the bigger threat, try to force Jane to work with her.]
[Suggest putting aside their differences until they finish SURVIVING, then calmly Struggle.]
[Tightly reign in her panic, Thrash against the stomach walls and ignore teamwork.]
[Completely lose her mind. Frenzy bomb her stamina in a doomed effort against the Queen's mighty gut.]
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> Having a better picture of her own strength and exactly how mighty the Queen is... Jane figures that Liz can churn them both without ever actively attacking... even if they work together. (She's right, I checked. Took 22 turns and the Queen had 24 hp left, but that simulation had Jane at full hp whereas she's already lost over 1/5th.) Jane also knows that her friend is among the people incapable of regurgitating prey at will, meaning that if she's going to survive she WILL have to somehow beat her way out. What does Jane do?
[Give up. There's not even the beginning point of a way out. It's OVER.]
[Run her contacts. Surely somebody will join her and Heather and if the damage is split enough ways then JANE will survive even if all the other weaklings become food.]
[Apply every scrap of skill and knowledge at her disposal. If she can figure out a plan of attack and Heather's stronger than Jane thinks... a miracle might happen.]
[Be aggressive, but not wasteful of her strength. Force Heather to work with her by any means necessary and put the full measure of her POWER into burning up the Queen's Resistance and leaving a mark.]
[Vent all her rage and frustration with the full recognition that it's useless.]
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> Obviously the first thing Jacob does on learning that Hazel's sister is in Liz's belly is try to make her throw them up. As already mentioned in Jane's actions... the Queen isn't capable of doing that voluntarily. What does he do to keep the Queen from being aggressive with her prey and buy time for Hope to get Hazel and any other help to get Heather (and Jane I guess) out of Liz's stomach alive? (You can assume that Hope and Jacob have some time to plan this together if it changes your vote. They are on the phone right now and there's time for Jacob to hit some cliffnotes of weird ways Liz has acted from this section and last section while the Queen is dazed from the fall. Also, as reminder, you do not need to include what is written in parenthesis for your vote... it's extra information not a fundamental part of the option.)
[Beg for Liz to have mercy on them.]
[Give Elizabeth a blank check promise if both survive.]
[Allow his anger to show, telling Liz that there will be consequences if his cousin dies.] (No physicality in demonstrating his wrath, no clarity what the consequence will be.)
[Allow his anger to show, telling Liz that there will be consequences if HEATHER dies.] (No physicality in demonstrating his wrath, no clarity what the consequence will be.)
[Slaps the Queen across the face, ordering her to do NOTHING that would hurt them while he cleans up the MESS that she made.]
[Directly threatens to break up with her if Jane dies.] (Physical demonstration of fury that Liz ATE Jane in the first place, such as slapping her face, is allowed in this option.)
[Directly threatens to break up with her if HEATHER dies.](Physical demonstration of fury that Liz ATE Heather in the first place, such as slapping her face, is allowed in this option.)
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> How does Hope reach Hazel given she's in the middle of class right now and her phone is out of commission? She's able to confirm through Jacob that the Queen is certain she can actually swallow Hazel's vast gut if she's not resisting, and Hazel's size is the ONLY chance they have at OVERSTUFFING the Queen. Hazel's also one of the only people that the Queen would swallow that is WILLING to risk her life to save one part of the dead girls in the belly of royalty. But as much as she needs to let Hazel know what's happened, Hope needs to make it on scene herself as well and help Jacob run interference and buy time. How does she accomplish both informing Hazel and getting to the field as fast as possible? (You do not need to include what is written in parenthesis for your vote... it's extra information not a fundamental part of the option.)
[Races the hallways towards Hazel's classroom herself.] (remember, Hope has Level ZERO strength. She's not going to arrive quick and she's not around the corner from that room. She'll probably have run her Exhaustion totally out by the time she gets there, keeping her from running the whole way to the field after.)
[She knows Jacob normally shares the class Hazel's currently in. Algebra. She gets the name of someone to try calling.] (25% chance of instant success, 75% chance of failure, forcing her to run the hallways to get Hazel herself... after running the wrong way while she tried it.)
[She sends a group message out to her fan club, promising a reward to whoever finds Hazel and tells her the news first.] (5% chance of instant success, 30% chance of rapid success, 50% chance of success about the time Hope would have got there by running herself... 15% chance of total failure and Hope won't know it completely failed until there's not exactly time to try again.)
[Direct call a significantly more athletic individual she knows and have them run the message.] (Could be Arya, the jock George, Brandon, Brooke, Vivianne... one person that she knows with absolute certainty will answer and will move for her. 50% chance of rapid success, 10% chance of success at the time Hope would have arrived and 40% chance it takes longer then doing it herself – the person she called was enough farther away that the difference in distance is bigger than the difference in speed.)
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Hope everyone enjoyed the section. Leave some comments and VOTE VOTE VOTE if you love the story! We've got ourselves a real problem on our hands now, but you know what happens when you play with fire, right everyone? Sooner or later you get burned. Let me know what part you thought was strongest and if you felt like any part felt rushed or glossed over when it could have been better developed without tanking the pacing. There was a lot happening in this section and the gears were going all sorts of different directions on me, so forcing it to all work together wasn't easy. Especially since I've been out sick for a while. I meant to have this section done by this time yesterday...

Let's try and make the best of the time I've got off work for the weekend and for being sick. Let's try and get all the voting in the next 48 hours from the time of posting and I'll try to churn the next one out before my weekend is over! I'll be online to answer any questions you've got, so don't be shy if you want to know details about any part of the options we're now working through! It's been a while since we actually had a vore scene after all, and this is liable to be a doozy. Unless we're giving up on saving Heather if it means Jane's also dead??? Somehow I doubt any of you are okay with that option though. It IS on the table if that's the way you guys want to play it though, and I've included both some fairly obvious, and some not so obvious, ineffective options if you want to head that way. Guess we'll see how voting goes over the next 48 hours!
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 03082024 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:52 pm

Okay so this turned out to be so much more eventful a chapter than I was expecting, except for the fact that I really should have been expecting this, given that Heather was poking at one of the most dangerous characters involved in the story right now. Speaking of whom... I can comfortably say that seeing inside Elizabeth's head was the best part of the section. I'm not sure if it's a result of Jacob's presence (that's definitely the most likely explanation) but she seems so different from the other times we've gotten a look at how she thinks. She puts in much more effort towards being morally driven than I would have otherwise expected of her. I think that Elizabeth might be the only pred we've seen who actively tries to prevent herself from enjoying digesting people too much? She completely fails at basic restraint when it comes to Jacob, but she judges herself afterwards using a... surprisingly normal mindset. Voting!

[Suggest putting aside their differences until they finish SURVIVING, then calmly Struggle.] If Jane weren't feeling completely hopeless about their prospects, she would at least know that this is their only chance of escape, making it easy to go along with it. The fact that she is feeling completely hopeless is something Heather would be considering more strongly, but wasting the first sections of time on arguing with Jane isn't going to help anyone at all, so better to take this route and at least get a shot at things.

[Apply every scrap of skill and knowledge at her disposal. If she can figure out a plan of attack and Heather's stronger than Jane thinks... a miracle might happen.] Jane is still very competent, and she's cooperating with Heather because she very much wants to get out of this alive if at all possible. She's also going to act on the assumption that she isn't getting any help. Now, I was briefly considering the option above this one, run her contacts, but Jane's smart enough to know that she's been far too involved in actively burning all her bridges lately for this to have a good chance of working.

[Allow his anger to show, telling Liz that there will be consequences if his cousin dies.] I don't see Jacob going the direct threats route here, because he isn't certain whether pushing too hard will make Elizabeth go the wrong direction, and he just got his arm broken as a result of trying to improvise. Of the people who are inside, he's going to be using Jane as the main focus, because #1, she's the one who he actually cares about more (I think he only really knows Heather via a connection to Hazel, right?), and #2, he has no idea what's going on between Elizabeth and Heather right now, he can't fully parse it, and he doesn't want to invite more risk that was either. This also works out well because I would guess that Heather's the one Elizabeth is more scared of the consequences of digesting, she knows what happens to her if Heather doesn't make it.

[Direct call a significantly more athletic individual she knows and have them run the message.] She could also put out the message to her fan club and then start running on her own, but that's less reliable at a time when time is already short, and I think Hope is very motivated to make sure Heather gets out of this, albeit Jane not so much. It's a good thing that Jacob's been heavily involved in Hope and Hazel's planning, though, because otherwise I could somewhat see Hope taking the betrayal option here - get Hazel and Jane both into Elizabeth's stomach at the same time, let slip that Hazel's been going after Jacob, and poof, the two main threats to Hope's safety are gone along with her primary social competitor. Because Jacob would tell Elizabeth about Hope's own involvement in the plan if she did that, though, the chance of betrayal from her is probably 0.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby DGUBEAGLE17 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 5:59 pm

How did I know Heather was going to get eaten here? Also I didn't realize that Hazel being so big still wasn't big enough to stop the Queen. I did not expect Jane to also get eaten. Unless we get nat 20s (so to speak) on everything going right here for Hazel, Jacob, Hope, Heather, and Jane ig someone's dying lol. Does Jane have the room to swallow Heather in the Queen's gut?
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[Suggest putting aside their differences until they finish SURVIVING, then calmly Struggle.] I don't think forcing Jane here is going to work so this is the best option for her survival.
[Apply every scrap of skill and knowledge at her disposal. If she can figure out a plan of attack and Heather's stronger than Jane thinks... a miracle might happen.] Best option for Jane and hopefully she chooses to tell Heather how to help her.
[Allow his anger to show, telling Liz that there will be consequences if his cousin dies.] I agree with 03082024 on this one.
[Direct call a significantly more athletic individual she knows and have them run the message.] Does she have time to group message all the athletic individuals and her fan club? or one or the other as far as groups? I don't know how far away Arya is but she has been shown to be fast and care about Hazel a lot for some reason. I don't know if she's faster than the others, I forget what each of their stats are. Hope would have to word the message correctly for Arya though.
Also, is Heather going to do something to call her plan if she dies into action now? She is probably thinking that she is dead even if she is trying her best to escape.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:34 pm

03082024 wrote:I think that Elizabeth might be the only pred we've seen who actively tries to prevent herself from enjoying digesting people too much?


That's certainly an exaggeration, but she might be the one we've seen the closest up who puts in the most effort without talking about someone we've exclusively seen eat her hunting type. And, per Elizabeth's own admittance of temptation, she's not much better than Hazel when she has eaten her own type.

03082024 wrote:She puts in much more effort towards being morally driven than I would have otherwise expected of her.


She IS intended to foil Hazel, and Hazel's a fundamentally good girl. Yeah, Elizabeth's got her flaws and represents an ugly something that Hazel could easily degrade into, but when she's actively trying to clean up her act for a bit in front of her love... she's already one of the most moral foes Hazel's going to get. As much as Elizabeth IS a tyrant - not going to gainsay it or try to convince you otherwise - she is DEDICATED to enforcing JUSTICE as the Queen. More than morally driven, I'd describe her as driven by a sense of... and hunger for given one of her hunting types... justice.

03082024 wrote:I would guess that Heather's the one Elizabeth is more scared of the consequences of digesting, she knows what happens to her if Heather doesn't make it.


You would guess DEAD wrong. Now that Heather's been touched by stomach acids Elizabeth would be convinced that the consequences of eating Heather are going to get her regardless of if she digests her old bully or not. So the restraining effects of Heather's blackmail are ENTIRELY gone, and in a way Elizabeth is actively motivated to make sure she takes Heather down so that she at least gets her own full value out of the punishment she believes she can no longer afford. If she's going to do the time either way, Elizabeth might as well commit the crime she's going to get punished for... right?

DGUBEAGLE17 wrote:How did I know Heather was going to get eaten here? Also I didn't realize that Hazel being so big still wasn't big enough to stop the Queen. I did not expect Jane to also get eaten. Unless we get nat 20s (so to speak) on everything going right here for Hazel, Jacob, Hope, Heather, and Jane ig someone's dying lol. Does Jane have the room to swallow Heather in the Queen's gut?


I guess you have a good sense for how stories are written if you were anticipating Heather taking a stomach dive.

Hazel's gut is actually the EXACT largest size that the Queen can swallow... big enough that if Hazel resists being swallowed or thrown back up it could damage the Queen's throat and cause a rejection shoving Hazel back in the direction she just came from. Out OR back in.

Glad I still got a curveball in on you with Jane taking the dip as well. :D

It's not going to take a solid streak of natural 20s on everything to avoid some dead bodies from this encounter... but if we don't get enough natural 20s in the right places? This encounter is HARD. I literally ran an example battle of the Queen against Jane and Heather. The Queen Rested every turn. Jane and Heather worked together pretty decently... not full min max, but better than any duo we've seen to date. Which fits in a vacuum of character motivation since both are level 5 Prey. THE QUEEN WON. She didn't just kill Heather off and Jane survived to escape. The Queen FLAT OUT WON. Someone needs to join Heather and Jane for them to win, and the combination of the right person and the right timing for that addition is the first nat 20 we NEED if nobody's going to die.
(Now, if we're talking about nobody going to emergency care instead of just not dying? That's probably a streak of natural 20s.)

Yeah, the Queen's stomach is roomy enough that if Jane's suicidal enough to put herself in the disadvantaged position of fighting her own prey while fighting to escape the Queen she could swallow Heather while inside Liz. Could do it after Hazel joins them actually, but at THAT point it would be tricky and there'd be negs applied that might cause Jane to fail any single given attempt to eat Heather. Not nearly harsh enough negs that she couldn't pull it off if she was determined to do it though.

DGUBEAGLE17 wrote:Best option for Jane and hopefully she chooses to tell Heather how to help her.


I get the heart of what you mean here, but keep in mind that Heather and Jane are the SAME LEVEL PREY. Jane's achieved that based on her own experience of what hurts worst from the other side while Heather's gained her experience through primarily theoretical knowledge and a couple of very, very, very, controlled encounters to put that knowledge to the test... but it's equal odds at any given moment that JANE should shut up and listen to HEATHER tell her how to help if they're going to stay on the min max route.

DGUBEAGLE17 wrote: Does she have time to group message all the athletic individuals and her fan club? or one or the other as far as groups? I don't know how far away Arya is but she has been shown to be fast and care about Hazel a lot for some reason. I don't know if she's faster than the others, I forget what each of their stats are. Hope would have to word the message correctly for Arya though.


I see you took the invitation to ask questions to heart lol. I hope to hear from you again before the next section goes up even if none of my answers or the other's arguments change your mind on anything if only to know that you took a look at everything you asked about and considered the implications before sticking to your guns!

So, could Hope group message the athletic individuals she knows or direct call a member of her fan club? ABSOLUTELY. But doing both would be demanding of time she's trying to save, because a direct call is a chunk of time she needs to spend on the phone running and a group message is a chunk of time she needs to spend drafting the text. To do both would be extremely poor time management if she's convinced that the job will get done with either/or.

Strength level is going to be the best quick and dirty indicator of speed. I'll list the example athletic people in order of Strength level and in order of their speed for their level. It IS possible to specialize enough in a single aspect of fitness to beat someone with a higher Strength level in general though, so Arya might be faster than people of level 4 Strength given that her speed has been highlighted. Hazel definitely is faster than people with +1 level of Strength, as she's even more strongly noted as having a slant towards speed in her fitness. With her gut in the way she can't showcase that speed though lol.
The jock George has the highest level Strength, bar none out of the examples. He likely either ties Jane's level 6 Strength or beats it. But it hasn't been disclosed (or rolled up). At absolute minimum he'll tie for highest level Strength if the roller hates him and have level 5 Strength.
Brandon is up next. Again, his Strength level is undisclosed as of yet, but he was demonstrated to be competitive with Jacob's level 5 Strength and somewhat more effective than Brooke's level 4 Strength during gym. He's got one of those two levels as his own Strength level, more likely level 5 Strength.
Brooke has level 4 Strength.
Arya has level 3 Strength.
Vivianne has level 3 Strength.

DGUBEAGLE17 wrote:Also, is Heather going to do something to call her plan if she dies into action now? She is probably thinking that she is dead even if she is trying her best to escape.


I guess I wasn't clear enough while in her head... Heather's plan is baked to automatically engage if she doesn't actively disarm it herself. She doesn't need to "call in" her plan. If Jane had let Elizabeth finish backing down and submitting, so that Heather walked away untouched... Heather would have needed to CALL OFF her plan.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 08142024 » Thu Apr 03, 2025 11:00 pm

Personally? I LOVED the way Heather got played through this section. She was like "so all I really need to do is make them turn on each other? Bet!" Then the girl went out there and bent Jane's proud spine, tricked her into acting a proxy... turned admitting she tricked Jane into even more fuel for bad blood between Lizzie and Jane and left the cheerleader in the dust as she walked the Queen right to the edge of a precipice! That was epic! She didn't just have them on the ropes, Heather took both of them to the cleaners. Heather had them dead to rights at the end there, no wonder she was feeling confident!

Too bad Jane's so proud and so arrogant that she'd rather take Heather down with her than admit she's beat...

That fit perfectly by the way. It was the only way Heather could still fail at that point, and of course Jane's ramming her into the Queen's maw so hard she doesn't get her own hand out of the Queen's throat in time. Of course Jane doesn't think for a second about how precarious the footing is, or how she's actually big and heavy enough with the difference in height that she can knock the Queen over if her friend isn't braced. And DOWN we go.

I guess I would have liked to see directly Jacob hammer Liz for calling Jennifer a whore (damn, that wasn't well thought out Queen) instead of just seeing the shift in both character's mentality after the fact. But the after the fact shift already did the job pretty good in my estimation, I'm just being picky cause you asked for something that could have been given more detail and nobody else seems interested in attacking that angle.

VOTING!

[Keep her wits about her. Jane's still the bigger threat, try to force Jane to work with her.] - I think this might be required to keep Jane's moral in check. Heather is... LESS clear on how completely screwed they are and MORE clear that even if it's just them in the Queen right now they won't be abandoned. There's absolutely no way Jane is making her assessment of their odds of escaping even the Queen's passive strength on Heather being just shy of a trained Prey, and that still has a proven mortality rate from what phoneuser1992 told us. Jane's going to be extremely tempted to respond in a way that is NOT the ideal if there's not efforts to keep her on track and give her just enough hope that she won't break under the certainty that they are dead. This is the only option I see directed that way, because if Jane doesn't play the game min maxed NOBODY can make up the lost contribution.

[Apply every scrap of skill and knowledge at her disposal. If she can figure out a plan of attack and Heather's stronger than Jane thinks... a miracle might happen.] - This is the best option for Jane to take to my reading. I don't doubt that she could conjure at least one person that's enough under her thumb to risk their lives to save her... someone convinced she'd escape on her own and be utterly filled with vengeance for those who refused to help her... but we can't afford the time and attention from the main DPR to fool with that to get a mediocre additional force. I can't see Jane taking this approach on turn one... initially she'll either go ballistic or she'll flat out give up. That's why I've selected the option I did for Heather... Jane needs someone to kick her teeth in and screw her head on so that her wildness doesn't become the entire team's undoing in the face of a threat on this scale.

[Directly threatens to break up with her if HEATHER dies.] - Clearly this will be a controversial opinion, but while Jane IS Jacob's family they have an... extremely strained relationship to put things mildly. I think girlfriend's sister is actually the more important to him when he's already clearly decided that he cares a lot more about Hazel then he does about Jane. It might be close for Heather, unlike Hazel, but I still think he cares more about how HAZEL cares for her little sister than the ruined remains of his own battered relationship with his cousin. I also think that the harder a line he takes the better it's going to go for everyone. He's got Hope on the line to talk him through what the disturbing way Liz responded to his anger means, and if I'm not personally reading wrong what it means then it means that Elizabeth REALLY likes it when he takes charge like that and will gladly be obedient to the rules he sets down. All the more glad to be obedient the more firmly and totally he takes charge even... she changed the way she THOUGHT about Jennifer after he yelled at her a bit in person and she could see the visceral, genuine anger he felt at her disregard for his ex. She didn't just change the way she talked about Jennifer... she repeatedly forced herself to refer to Jennifer as Jacob's ex INSIDE HER OWN HEAD. Given the fact that she thinks she's already screwed on Heather's blackmail? Jacob needs to see even more drastic effects then that and that means he needs to PUSH. Putting clear stakes, stakes that horrify her far beyond Heather's blackmail, on the worst outcome should have the Queen actively helping the escape. Backing the threat to break up with some physicality should drive home that he isn't saying it lightly and he's not playing games... if the Queen kills Heather she can forget about Jacob giving her the scraps she's been living on, she can forget about wanting more, she can forget about him acknowledging she exists.

[Direct call a significantly more athletic individual she knows and have them run the message.] - There's a safe choice with a coin flip chance of being better than doing it herself and perfectly acceptable odds of it getting done on a still not awful timetable at worst. This is good maths compared to the other choices, and Hope can do it while at her personal top speed towards the field. Is Hope desperate enough for the... standing? Respect? Credit? Not sure the exact right wording... Is she desperate enough to improve Hazel's take on her to dive into the Queen's stomach the moment she's back at 0 Exhaustion from racing there and set back the acids a little, dilute the damage around and add her feeble damage output to the other end of things? I figure that if she joins on that kind of time table Hope is instantly the most in danger of dying, but it's the fastest way I can see anyone that there's even a CHANCE of choosing to take the plunge getting on deck to help Heather and Jane directly.

I'll back DGUBEAGLE17 in suggesting Arya as the person called. With her relationship with Jane and with Hazel, I can see a thin but present chance that Arya might be willing to join the group battle as well. Hope would need to be careful how she worked her magic on it, but I can see the schemer making Jacob's sister not only commit on it but think it was her own idea if she does things right. I don't think that possibility is open for anyone else, and that possibility makes Arya the best pick for runner in my mind.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby DGUBEAGLE17 » Fri Apr 04, 2025 3:05 am

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[Directly threatens to break up with her if HEATHER dies.] - Clearly this will be a controversial opinion, but while Jane IS Jacob's family they have an... extremely strained relationship to put things mildly. I think girlfriend's sister is actually the more important to him when he's already clearly decided that he cares a lot more about Hazel then he does about Jane.
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He doesn't want Liz to know that Hazel is his gf and thus while he might actually want Heather to survive more, he would need to tell Liz that its Jane because it would make more sense to her and prevent her going even more crazy.
I guess you have a good sense for how stories are written if you were anticipating Heather taking a stomach dive.

Well messing with 2 extremely unstable preds is a dangerous game lol.
Hazel's gut is actually the EXACT largest size that the Queen can swallow... big enough that if Hazel resists being swallowed or thrown back up it could damage the Queen's throat and cause a rejection shoving Hazel back in the direction she just came from. Out OR back in.

Yeah I didn't think she could do it at all, but it being the exact largest size she can handle makes sense.
So, could Hope group message the athletic individuals she knows or direct call a member of her fan club? ABSOLUTELY. But doing both would be demanding of time she's trying to save, because a direct call is a chunk of time she needs to spend on the phone running and a group message is a chunk of time she needs to spend drafting the text. To do both would be extremely poor time management if she's convinced that the job will get done with either/or.

I figured it'd take too long but just had to make sure lol. Still sticking with Arya because again she's the most likely to help I think and maybe even put herself in danger (I dont think the jocks or the rest of the mean team would be as willing to help Hazel just because Hope said so). She may only have level 3 strength but she can be a very determined and energetic individual and we know she has some speed behind her.
I get the heart of what you mean here, but keep in mind that Heather and Jane are the SAME LEVEL PREY. Jane's achieved that based on her own experience of what hurts worst from the other side while Heather's gained her experience through primarily theoretical knowledge and a couple of very, very, very, controlled encounters to put that knowledge to the test... but it's equal odds at any given moment that JANE should shut up and listen to HEATHER tell her how to help if they're going to stay on the min max route.

I may have forgotten that they were the same prey level.
I guess I wasn't clear enough while in her head... Heather's plan is baked to automatically engage if she doesn't actively disarm it herself. She doesn't need to "call in" her plan. If Jane had let Elizabeth finish backing down and submitting, so that Heather walked away untouched... Heather would have needed to CALL OFF her plan.

Ok, so re-reading the section about it, I just misread it, you did a good job being clear about it.
One more question lol. If Heather dies, would Willow be able to get Ashley to eat the Queen/is Ashley capable of doing so and winning easily?
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby phoneuser1992 » Fri Apr 04, 2025 5:59 am

08142024 wrote:if I'm not personally reading wrong what it means then it means that Elizabeth REALLY likes it when he takes charge like that and will gladly be obedient to the rules he sets down. All the more glad to be obedient the more firmly and totally he takes charge even... she changed the way she THOUGHT about Jennifer after he yelled at her a bit in person and she could see the visceral, genuine anger he felt at her disregard for his ex. She didn't just change the way she talked about Jennifer... she repeatedly forced herself to refer to Jennifer as Jacob's ex INSIDE HER OWN HEAD.


You have read it correctly. It barely matters what rules he makes as long as he makes it with enough fervor and zeal. To make obvious what Elizabeth refused to look at, she was effected so hard by the label of OAO on Jennifer combined with Jacob's response - in person - to calling Jennifer a whore that Elizabeth would now prefer to hear he fucked his ex before she died instead of letting Jennifer die a virgin. Which I think counts as several steps more severe than you may have thought. The Queen was NOT willing to look at or admit that new preference yet... might even deny that preference extremely strongly to herself. But she would be in denial.

08142024" and "03082024 wrote:Is Hope desperate enough for the... standing? Respect? Credit? Not sure the exact right wording... Is she desperate enough to improve Hazel's take on her to dive into the Queen's stomach the moment she's back at 0 Exhaustion from racing there and set back the acids a little, dilute the damage around and add her feeble damage output to the other end of things?... and ... I could somewhat see Hope taking the betrayal option here - get Hazel and Jane both into Elizabeth's stomach at the same time, let slip that Hazel's been going after Jacob, and poof, the two main threats to Hope's safety are gone along with her primary social competitor.


I let it slide uncommented on when it was just 03082024, but have you two been looking at my notes for voting points on Hope next section!? Seriously, Hope should be making THESE decisions at the end of next section even if they are already getting calculated in her mind lol.

08142024 wrote:I'll back DGUBEAGLE17 in suggesting Arya as the person called. With her relationship with Jane and with Hazel, I can see a thin but present chance that Arya might be willing to join the group battle as well. Hope would need to be careful how she worked her magic on it, but I can see the schemer making Jacob's sister not only commit on it but think it was her own idea if she does things right. I don't think that possibility is open for anyone else, and that possibility makes Arya the best pick for runner in my mind.


I hadn't meant to make a sub voting point when I listed examples like that...? Hope would have better odds of convincing others on this list to risk their lives if she were to make the dive herself and clarify that she's going to do so then you think. Sure, Vivianne and Brooke are no longer willing to risk their lives for Jane's, and sure neither is likely to risk their lives just on Hope's request. But would they risk their lives FOR Hope's? There's dice in that game my friend.

Similar for the two boys if they don't realize exactly how dangerous the Queen is... being the hero is always an awesome way to get the girl and Hope's the most desired girl at school... oh, Jane and Harmony are also in the gut? THAT'S LIKE MOST OF THE COMPETITION FOR THAT TITLE!? I get to be a hero for ALL 3 of them at the same time!? Let's fucking go! - The odds of getting the boys to commit on it take an immediate and steep nosedive if they realize just how real the threat is, but Hope can paint in the positives of this picture a lot more thoroughly if she really wants and can absolutely keep them in the dark of the downside if she's applying her manipulation magic.

I only listed examples I thought at least had odds of being someone Hope could con into joining the fight as well, knowing that any of you could come up with someone I forgot and it would be possible they would ALSO be able to be tricked into risking life and limb if Hope really threw her all at it.

DGUBEAGLE wrote:One more question lol. If Heather dies, would Willow be able to get Ashley to eat the Queen/is Ashley capable of doing so and winning easily?


What is it with you and it never being just one more question? This is clearly two questions lol. (I'm giving you grief, don't let me get in your head. I'll answer both completely.)

Can Ashley win easily? - The Queen is a psuedo Skilled Pred that is level 10 in 3 items and level 9 in the other 3. Ashley is a flat out Apex Pred, and even an especially powerful Apex Pred. Apex Pred means being level 15 minimum in everything. Ashley's strengths are confirmed to be level 20. I say with confidence that Ashley can handle Elizabeth with the degree of ease that Elizabeth can handle Jane... if not more ease.

Would Willow be able to get Ashley to eat the Queen? - That's going to be an EXTREMELY tough sell. Unlike when Willow called Ashley on Leif and Victoria, the Chase family now has its own biologically related Pred. Helping your friend who doesn't have family to depend on is one thing, especially if the opposing party clearly crossed the line. But taking responsibility for another Pred's family... even if you are friends... when you aren't even that Pred's mentor? Ashley would not only have to be convinced to step on Hazel's toes in taking on her responsibility to avenge her family... but to step on HARMONY's toes as well in doing a mentor's job of handling a threat that someone still getting her feet under her has no business facing. And the more that Willow knows about the details of everything going down, the harder the sell will get... Heather was asking for it, Jane's technically the one that fed her to Elizabeth, there was extreme enough bad blood between them that Elizabeth might have gone looking for Heather on her 18th birthday if things had gone differently... Willow knows better than to hide that stuff from Ashley while asking a favor and each of these points carries significant weight in making the request less forceful. Are there still odds it might work? I guess it would be worth seeing if we Natural 20 under the assumption that Willow doesn't know any details when she ask. It would take that much convincing to get Ashley to step on both Hazel AND Harmony's toes even to punish the offense of someone like the Queen eating a minor. With mitigating circumstances like Jane forcefed Heather to the Queen, the way Heather was bullying her years ago, how she was taunting her victim today? It would take back to back Natural 20s to even get to the roll that might see Ashley agree.

Now convincing Ashley to help in some much less direct way, given the circumstances and how far things have gotten out of line? Even with the mitigating circumstances that should be a reasonable DC check... depending on the sort of indirect help. She'd still be stepping on toes if she got involved no matter what, but there's a very large difference between coming in and completely taking over - eating the Queen herself - and coming in apologizing for the intrusion and being like - look, this is out of control and you need some help. I'm going to help bail you out whether you like it or not, but this is still your ship at the end of the day and the captain's the one that goes down with the ship.
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby 08142024 » Fri Apr 04, 2025 10:07 am

DGUBEAGLE wrote:He doesn't want Liz to know that Hazel is his gf and thus while he might actually want Heather to survive more, he would need to tell Liz that its Jane because it would make more sense to her and prevent her going even more crazy.


That probably is what he and Hope would say he should do. But the boy's not a particularly good actor in the first place, his head isn't in the game with his broke arm crying for his attention, the stress of someone being digested RIGHT NOW instead of just worrying that if he's not careful someone might get eaten are on different levels and it's called a Freudian slip my friend. It is exponentially likely to happen when emotional, stressed and otherwise not being exacting in thinking through what you say at all times. If we were talking about what he and Hope would say he should do or were talking about what he intends to say I'd agree with your short case with open arms and change vote. But I don't think he's going to be able to pull through on it. As a meta reason for why I am pushing for Heather to be the one he says Liz absolutely MUST NOT kill off?

phoneuser1992 wrote:"Did I what?" Jacob asks, turning from the tryouts and looking into her eyes. Immediately Elizabeth tugged needily on his arm, trying to scratch the itch burning inside her with his hand. He pulled firmly against the motion, but he wasn't nearly strong enough to stop her when she was determined. She shook her head, unable to frame a response under his gaze. Her mind couldn't even process words that weren't centered on how perfect the blue eyed god she worshiped was.

That was when Jane joined them. "Sorry for taking so long to come and see you Liz. I hope I'm not interrupting anything?" The taller girl asks with a raised eyebrow, eyeing the position of Jacob's hand and taking in the red of Elizabeth's face. Immediately it penetrated the Queen's horny, desperate mind how public they were when she was being so vulgarly forward. No wonder her Jacob stubbornly was resisting her! She turned his hand loose in embarrassment, denying that there was any interruption.

The moment his hand was free, Jacob scooted over and offered Jane a seat between them. Her feelings turned against her, Elizabeth understanding why he felt the need for a buffer after how she'd acted. A man had no more power to resist a Pred determined to rape him than a normal woman had of resisting an armed man. Elizabeth had been abusing the gap in strength to force him, and had even been doing it publicly! She just wanted to hide herself and crawl in a hole!!! But Jane didn't take his invitation right away, waiting for Elizabeth's nod accepting the arrangement. She deserved to have a chaperon watching that she didn't take advantage of her blue eyed god after how she'd been acting. "How's the tryouts going?" Elizabeth asked, needing something to get her mind out of the gutter.

"Just like you've seen for yourself." Jane laughed carelessly. "So far I'm thinking Amethyst and Faith are definite candidates to approve." She pointed to a pair of girls that Elizabeth had thought were part of the squad already from how they'd performed, and then she picked out another pair. Elizabeth's blood ran cold at the sudden reminder that the succubus was right here watching her make a fool of herself this entire time, and she missed what Jane said about that pair.

It was astonishing that she hadn't seen Jacob watching the walking nightmare... she was almost perfectly his type from what Elizabeth could see. She shivered as fear enhanced her arousal to the point that she pushed over the brink at last.


When did the Queen orgasm? When she had Jacob's attention and his hands against her pussy or when she wasn't even being touched and allowed herself to envision for just a split second the succubus ensnaring her blue eyed god? What does her getting off then imply for the way she'll take Jacob screaming not to kill her - point blank threatening the worst possible punishment if she does and making her believe he'll do it? I'm metagaming this thing like hell, but I want to come out of this with Heather alive and I can SOOO easily see the Queen figuring that JANE can handle just one Squeeze to kill off the succubus if Jacob's only threatening a penalty should the more powerful and durable of the pair suffer harm.

Actually... it is safe to assume that Jane's got more health left then Heather, right? I know Heather's got some really, really solid levels and Jane's clock got cleaned heavy by the Queen before she got eaten, but Jane's even higher level and her Charm should be giving her something crazy like 50 hp or so by now? What's the basic assumptions of the characters for the relative ease of getting Jane out alive compared to getting Heather out alive? Or... more to the point for what I very strongly suspect the Queen's question will be if Jacob is threatening things for Jane dead without the slightest mention of reprisals for Heather dead... what's the basic assumption for how much abuse Jane can survive if it takes that much to kill off Heather?

phoneuser1992 wrote:Now convincing Ashley to help in some much less direct way, given the circumstances and how far things have gotten out of line? Even with the mitigating circumstances that should be a reasonable DC check... depending on the sort of indirect help. She'd still be stepping on toes if she got involved no matter what, but there's a very large difference between coming in and completely taking over - eating the Queen herself - and coming in apologizing for the intrusion and being like - look, this is out of control and you need some help. I'm going to help bail you out whether you like it or not, but this is still your ship at the end of the day and the captain's the one that goes down with the ship.


So... in the worst case scenario... what sort of indirect help might you have in mind? Or would that be a spoiler/tba thing?
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Re: Ravenous - The Daily Life of a New Pred

Postby GrayLotus » Fri Apr 04, 2025 11:58 am

Well, I did say that I wanted Jane able to take her own actions here for better or worse, so I got what I asked for here. Ever since Heather's history was covered I knew she was going to be causing chaos here, and with Jane's established volatility mixed in this encounter was going to be pretty wild, but this has certainly exceeded my expectations! I wasn't sure if someone was going to end up eaten here, but both Jane and Heather going down was absolutely not in my predictions. What an absolute mess this has turned out to be, and I mean that in a good way.

[Keep her wits about her. Jane's still the bigger threat, try to force Jane to work with her.] - I actually changed my mind halfway through writing the justification portion and decided to go with this one over putting aside their differences. While I think that one of them explicitly trying to take charge is not the best idea, considering that's what got them in here to begin with, 08142024 makes a good point about Jane's morale. She's aware of just how bad their situation is, and Heather seemingly underestimating the danger in any way would be a good prod to get Jane fighting seriously. If they're going to escape, that needs to happen quickly. It's also an opportunity for Jane to learn that Heather is a considerably stronger Prey than she thinks, which feeds into her being willing to seriously try and fight their way out instead of just giving up.

[Apply every scrap of skill and knowledge at her disposal. If she can figure out a plan of attack and Heather's stronger than Jane thinks... a miracle might happen.] - Good arguments have already been made about this pick. I think Jane's more likely to prioritise fighting herself right now instead of trying to call up reinforcements, since time is of the essence as far as getting (paced) damage going.

I'm going to have to organise my thoughts about Jacob's vote here, so excuse the rambling.
So, an important factor here is what Elizabeth knows (or more accurately thinks she knows mostly via Jane) about Jacob's relationships. She thinks that Jacob and Jane are still quite close with each other, when in truth they're fairly estranged right now due to Jane's post-abuse actions and attitude alienating him, plus the very difficult issue of her past abuse hanging over everything. So Elizabeth would believe that Jacob would care much more about Jane (Jacob's cousin) than Heather (Jacob's crush's sister) in this situation, when in truth things are more complicated. I'll pretty confidently say that Jacob would rather neither of them die, but he is more unambiguously concerned with Heather staying safe here, less due to his own relationship with her (I don't think they have much of one) and more from how he knows Hazel would react.
The issue is of course that pressing Elizabeth on Heather's safety has its own risks. Elizabeth's already fairly unstable from what's just happened, and if Jacob shows her that he values Heather over his own (supposedly) close cousin carries the risk of driving her to an undesirable outcome. She already thinks that Jane's been turned by Heather, and she believed their connection was solid. Would she start thinking that Heather has gotten her claws into Jacob, too? But at the same time, prioritising Jane's safety might endanger Heather even more, since if only one of the two ends up surviving this it would be Jane. Elizabeth would know that, and might take actions near the end to make sure that only the person Jacob expressly wanted safe makes it out, while her greatest nightmare can finally be over (excluding whatever dead-man switches she left behind). It depends on how much control Jacob would have over her for the remainder of this.
I'm not highly confident with this, but I'll go with [Directly threatens to break up with her if HEATHER dies.] in agreement with 08142024. I certainly agree that a strong response from Jacob would be beneficial in taking control of the situation, and he has been shown to get pretty angry in the past when the situation called for it, and this situation definitely calls for it! He hasn't been one to get physical so far, but this is A) a very high stress situation, B) he's just had his arm broken so he's in quite a lot of pain right now and C) He really doesn't have much ability to really hurt Elizabeth with a slap, even a strong one. Her analogy about their relative strength and the danger they pose to each other is quite apt. Elizabeth does like it when he gets commanding on her, so that helps keep her in line and passive, which will be necessary if there's any chance of everyone making it out. I'm just less certain that it's a good idea to have HEATHER be the stated priority here, given Elizabeth is already pretty unsettled. I'll think about it some more and post my final choice within the next 24 hours.

[Direct call a significantly more athletic individual she knows and have them run the message.] - I agree with what the others have said here. I feel this is the most fitting option from the listed chances and from Hope's character/stats. Athletics are not her strength, and she already needs to get to the field herself ASAP to help with damage control, so leveraging her social connections to get someone she knows will do what she wants to get Hazel informed and on her way seems like the best choice here.
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