Why are movie makers so reluctant......

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Re: Why are movie makers so reluctant......

Postby ArcaneSigil » Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:19 am

I don't see it as a "have too" but more as a "could improve scenes". Monster movies come to mind and what's more monstrous than swallowing someone whole and then going around whole sale slaughtering other people while the person that was just swallowed whole digests in agony through the whole process? One example that comes to mind of a decent enough "Monster Movie" that includes plenty of vore is the Japanese film "The Host". Mutated fish monster terrorizes a town in Japan, eating people alive and then depositing their bones, through the act of vomiting them out, in a runoff (one of those things in bridges to prevent flooding of towns near water ways). It even swallows a little girl and keeps her trapped down there with other people it later comes back to eat. The only reason the little girl survives the movie, from a business standard, is it would have been a PR nightmare if a little girl was eaten, digested, and her tiny bones were upchucked with half a dozen other peoples' bones. Having her eaten and then "stored" still works as a way to keep the movie rated R without risking the ESRB or other rating places to completely kill your movie before it ever airs.

Long story short, if vore is included, and the movie has kids in it as victims of the monsters, having a Hard R rating makes it more likely to survive. As for why I think movies are reluctant, I still think, harkening back to my earlier post on the topic, that it's a matter of the medium. Animation vs Live Action. B movies, relatively low on the popularity scale, can do it with relative ease because they tend to target a more niche audience. Movies like Lake Placid, Crocodile, Anaconda, Dino Croc vs Super Gater (I think that's the name) are more likely to include vorish scenes because, for those movies, the "monsters" are obvious picks to swallow people whole.
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Re: Why are movie makers so reluctant......

Postby dessychan8 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:38 pm

ArcaneSigil wrote:As for why I think movies are reluctant, I still think, harkening back to my earlier post on the topic, that it's a matter of the medium. Animation vs Live Action. B movies, relatively low on the popularity scale, can do it with relative ease because they tend to target a more niche audience. Movies like Lake Placid, Crocodile, Anaconda, Dino Croc vs Super Gater (I think that's the name) are more likely to include vorish scenes because, for those movies, the "monsters" are obvious picks to swallow people whole.

They're not reluctant, they're just not making porn.
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Re: Why are movie makers so reluctant......

Postby JayAnders » Sat Jan 20, 2024 9:01 am

For me I actually like the scenes the best where you see the victim in the mouth and then they are dragged away to be devoured off-screen. Janice Higgins in Deep Blue Sea is my favorite vore scene, and it does this. Tremors 2 has a scene like this in the beginning, but with a male. There are others, but their recollection escapes me at the moment.

I think it's the fact it gets my imagination working about how the victim is actually devoured/swallowed that gets me the most excited. It's like it's "forbidden" to know, so I come back to the scene to pick out every little detail that is presented to help create that picture in my head. A bit hard to explain, but I hope you get the idea.

Very rarely have I actually gotten off to an on-screen depiction of vore. And as others have said, when it is depicted as explicitly as you wish it, the general audience gets awkward and it can help create a negative reception of the movie.
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Re: Why are movie makers so reluctant......

Postby Emptyghost » Sun Jan 21, 2024 11:09 am

MasterMage13 wrote:Seems like there is less of it these days than there was 25 years ago too. I'm think of movies like Deep Rising which has a person swallowed by a tentacle thing only to be cut out of it later, still alive and partially digested. Or Anaconda which has an inside throat-cam of a person being swallowed alive. And these were relatively big budget Hollywood movies at the time, I saw both those movies in theaters, they weren't bottom of the shelf B-horror movies. Seemed like for a period of time it was relatively common. Deep Blue Sea has a little vore in it, so does Men in Black. I'm sure I can think of others but, not to belabor the point.

I am pretty sure it is basically a lot of people did not know vore was a thing at the time. People will definitely react to it now.
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Taboo, and special effects costs

Postby T145 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:05 pm

JackFrost wrote:Apologies if this question has been asked before, but I'd like to discuss this frustrating phenomenon.

How many times have you encountered the following scenarios within movies, and even some TV and videogames?

1) Person is caught by creature/beast/thing capable of consuming a person. The creature/thing/etc. picks the person up in it's jaws, but makes no attempt to eat that person - instead it kind of tosses it's head violently and hurls the victim away. It seems to me that this accounts for around 75% (possibly more) of all 'vore' scenes in movies etc.

2) Someone is eaten, however the entire eating sequence takes place entirely offscreen. Instead we're treated to lingering reaction shots of horrified onlookers.

3) Vore occurs but we only get to see the first frame of them being taken into it's mouth, but the action then cuts away before the victim is swallowed and we never get to see it.

4) There is actual vore, but the scene is filmed using extremely fast cuts so it's almost impossible to get a clear sense of what's happening. Typically you'll get a view of the creature (etc.) eating for maybe half a second, before the camera cuts to the usual 'horrified onlookers', followed by maybe another half second of unclear footage, before another fast cut to onlookers. This is often made worse by use of 'shaky cam', or it being filmed in a very dark environment.

All four scenarios are extremely frustrating for vore a vore fetishist. I can think of very few (non fetish) movies in which you get to watch a clear scene of consumption from beginning to end. Jaws 3, Brothers' Grim, Deep Rising and Anaconda are the ones that I recall the most clearly, along with a few animated flicks such as the famous Pinky and the Brain scene where Rita swallows Pinky. In both Jaws 3 and Anaconda the victim is afterward spat out, and the girl swallowed by the horse in Brothers' Grim is eventually rescued. Deep Rising is kind of more in the realm of hard vore.

So do you think that directors are deliberately reluctant to show scenes of actual consumption due to it being a kind of 'final taboo that they dare not cross?'

Or do you think that it''s because such scenes are hard to film, so they simply take shortcuts?

Though if it's the latter, surely the power of modern CGI can handle it? Bedroom producers using their home PCs are now capable of doing a fairly decent job of it, so surely it's not down to lack of ability on the part of SXF departments?

2 - 4 is probably for audience discretion/special effects costs reasons. You're right, newer shows could probably use CGI to make it, but the actual making and editing is still an additional time and complexity cost that would have to be added into the final work, that doesn't have to exist. Especially if they want to go to the effort of making it seem realistic, rather than a cheap rubber/styrofoam/3D effect.

4 is a little bit of this too, since the shaky cam and quick, unclear footage masks the limits and problems with the special effects. It's part of why hoax footage looks like it was shot on a jackhammer, since the poor quality helps cover everything up. Otherwise, the poor effects might take away from the impact of the scene.

There's also test audiences that probably aren't into vore, so for them, a drawn out vore sequence is just uncomfortable. As a vore fetishist, it's a slightly different matter, since you generally aren't put off by it (and might end up nitpicking the anatomical inaccuracies in the scene). But for those people, unless there's a good reason for it, it might end up detracting from the story/film overall.

For example, if the vore scenes were swapped with scenes from another fetish that you're not into, like if a film you were watching was interrupted by a long, gratuitous scene of a character being turned into a jaffa, you'd probably be put off, and be more likely to drop the film entirely, rather than if it was a quick thing you could skip over or ignore.
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Re: Why are movie makers so reluctant......

Postby who1sth1s » Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:55 am

I assume we're largely talking about live action movies, some with CGI? Those I can understand with budget and special effects, but what about purely animated movies and shows? Kinda feels like some of them have the opposite viewpoint in that lots of them include moments that turn us on, with a couple making me believe the showrunners are into this. Most notable example being modern SpongeBob where it happens in every other episode at this point.

Heck, mouth zooms as a whole feel like they were made specifically for people like us who get some pleasure out of it.
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