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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Rejnka » Thu May 26, 2022 9:53 pm

Everything ought to have some logic to it. Unfortunately, lots of people don't care about internal consistency, and think that external consistency is the only kind that matters, when in reality it's the other way around.

You can have people swallow each other. That's all fine and good. It's no different from humans being capable of accomplishing any other inhuman feat, and I love a lot of stories where that happens. But I'm going to be honest, I always get bugged when things just "happen because plot". It doesn't happen often, but I still find it jarring when a pred winds up overpowering someone who's far stronger than them just because they're a pred. Can't you just write a willing vore story if that's how your pairing winds up?
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby fieldmousse » Fri May 27, 2022 8:33 am

Rejnka wrote:Everything ought to have some logic to it. Unfortunately, lots of people don't care about internal[/I} consistency, and think that [I]external consistency is the only kind that matters, when in reality it's the other way around.

You can have people swallow each other. That's all fine and good. It's no different from humans being capable of accomplishing any other inhuman feat, and I love a lot of stories where that happens. But I'm going to be honest, I always get bugged when things just "happen because plot". It doesn't happen often, but I still find it jarring when a pred winds up overpowering someone who's far stronger than them just because they're a pred. Can't you just write a willing vore story if that's how your pairing winds up?


I definitely agree although I think you can go too far in the other direction as well when stories go way over the top with world-building and trying to "explain the vore". Willing is harder to write than unwilling for sure though
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Winny » Sat May 28, 2022 12:56 pm

Rejnka wrote:Everything ought to have some logic to it. Unfortunately, lots of people don't care about internal consistency, and think that external consistency is the only kind that matters, when in reality it's the other way around.

You can have people swallow each other. That's all fine and good. It's no different from humans being capable of accomplishing any other inhuman feat, and I love a lot of stories where that happens. But I'm going to be honest, I always get bugged when things just "happen because plot". It doesn't happen often, but I still find it jarring when a pred winds up overpowering someone who's far stronger than them just because they're a pred. Can't you just write a willing vore story if that's how your pairing winds up?


What if the internal universal logic is that people get stronger and faster the more people they eat and digest? Making apex predators even more dangerous the longer they are uncontested. So even if you have a short cutie patootie predator, but since she has devoured a bunch of people shes super strong? To be honest, cute characters that are also predators are a huge kink for me. :d
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Assimilation » Sat May 28, 2022 2:51 pm

Winny wrote:
Rejnka wrote:Everything ought to have some logic to it. Unfortunately, lots of people don't care about internal consistency, and think that external consistency is the only kind that matters, when in reality it's the other way around.

You can have people swallow each other. That's all fine and good. It's no different from humans being capable of accomplishing any other inhuman feat, and I love a lot of stories where that happens. But I'm going to be honest, I always get bugged when things just "happen because plot". It doesn't happen often, but I still find it jarring when a pred winds up overpowering someone who's far stronger than them just because they're a pred. Can't you just write a willing vore story if that's how your pairing winds up?


What if the internal universal logic is that people get stronger and faster the more people they eat and digest? Making apex predators even more dangerous the longer they are uncontested. So even if you have a short cutie patootie predator, but since she has devoured a bunch of people shes super strong? To be honest, cute characters that are also predators are a huge kink for me. :d


I generally enjoy that vore story situation of predators gaining strength, but I often struggle with the line between "predators can lift up multiple people" and "they can crush door locks or juggernaut through walls". It's not insurmountable and there is room for a story to account for it, but I still have to "deal with" the changed ecosystem of human society where there is a widespread number of beastly people.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Rejnka » Sat May 28, 2022 3:37 pm

Winny wrote:
Rejnka wrote:Everything ought to have some logic to it. Unfortunately, lots of people don't care about internal consistency, and think that external consistency is the only kind that matters, when in reality it's the other way around.

You can have people swallow each other. That's all fine and good. It's no different from humans being capable of accomplishing any other inhuman feat, and I love a lot of stories where that happens. But I'm going to be honest, I always get bugged when things just "happen because plot". It doesn't happen often, but I still find it jarring when a pred winds up overpowering someone who's far stronger than them just because they're a pred. Can't you just write a willing vore story if that's how your pairing winds up?


What if the internal universal logic is that people get stronger and faster the more people they eat and digest? Making apex predators even more dangerous the longer they are uncontested. So even if you have a short cutie patootie predator, but since she has devoured a bunch of people shes super strong? To be honest, cute characters that are also predators are a huge kink for me. :d



Oh, predators definitely should be stronger than normal humans. They aren't pack hunters, after all. This applies even if they're much smaller, because normal flesh and muscle would tear under the rigors a predator puts it under - they have to be made of something else, something stronger and more flexible.

The issue comes in when this logic is applied when the prey is already a blatant superhuman, to a much higher degree. If the pred just has pred powers, but they overpower someone who can topple buildings, my suspension of disbelief craps out and leave me going "uh?".
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Artemis » Sun May 29, 2022 12:26 pm

Yeaaaaaah. I see logic touted in frustration by people into digestion and scat every once in a while and it always kinda makes me tilt my head because like, food doesn't stay in the body anywhere near long enough for our stomachs to break down a person. Nevermind that we'd be poisonous without preparation. And if you accept we have super acids that can totally break down an entire human at hundreds to thousands of times the speed of real digestion, it kinda raises the question of what exactly is leftover to become "waste". None of it actually necessarily follows if you think it through.

Meanwhile absolutely nobody touting realism is interested in factoring the differences between men and women's digestive systems into anything despite some of those differences being a fairly big deal if you ever found yourself in the typical "Oh gosh I've been eaten I need to get out before I get gurgled!" scenario.

I think people like that just want something that happens to align with certain ideas that make sense to them but don't know a better way to describe it. So they fall back on saying it makes sense to them. Like, they know what they want but don't know how to put into words why they want it, and "It's realistlic / makes sense / logic" is sort of a description of a feeling rather than a fact.



On the flipside though, mental logic is somewhat important. Because the emotions and reactivity is probably the biggest difference between eating a person and eating a slice of pizza. Like, being able to understand and empathize with what's going on is really important to me and I think a lot of people being able to connect with the scene and get their passions going. I do find that willing scenes don't do it for me, ...except for when my partner is actually able to describe why the character wants it in a believable fashion. Which is entirely possible. It just takes a bit of effort.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby LightDragon » Sun May 29, 2022 3:04 pm

It all comes down to suspension of disbelief.

Eating people whole and alive is stupidly ridiculous, and ridiculously stupid. But by the simple fact of reading the story, you are agreeing to put this aside.

Now, suspension of disbelief is a complex thing. Everyone has their own standards. Even more so when talking about vore, since this is already an irrational fetish at its base.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby EvangelineSkypaw » Sun May 29, 2022 7:49 pm

Personally, my favorite type of vore is safe vore, and it's upsetting to see people cry "That's unrealistic! Stomachs are supposed to digest their meals!!"

Like, listen,, so many other aspects of traditional same-size vore are unrealistic anyway. The body stretching to accommodate another person, invulnerable stomachs, inability to escape the pred through the throat, the sheer number of calories that would be gained through digestion, only gaining weight in certain areas, etc.

It isn't about what's logical, it's about what makes sense to them, which is based on their rules. Most people have decided on their own sets of rules— and preferences that influence those rules— whether knowingly or not.

People only interject to call out lack of realism when it suits their preferences.

Also, I want to point out that soft, safe, and gentle— not only in vore, but in general— are not inherently uninteresting or mundane. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine, but let people drink their tea without criticizing it.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby GREGOLE » Sun May 29, 2022 9:24 pm

Here's a good one.

There was a fellow I used to enjoy an antagonistic relationship with, who was adamant that reptilian predators are the only ones that make any kind of sense, and that anything else is "childish fantasy unworthy of consideration".

And there was SOME logic to the claims he made - skeletal structure, the diets of certain lizards, etc. It IS true that lizards, snakes, crocodilians and birds are a lot more adapted to swallowing large objects than most mammals - including humans. The thing about it is, he took it to the most bizarre extremes in places. My drawing of a brachiosaurus swallowing a giganotosaurus is "realistic" because it's a reptile, whereas a slime monster swallowing a dragon is "stupid" because not a reptile.

This reached its logical conclusion when an artist did a commission of an anthropomorphic reptile man in the middle of a large meal, and this person praised him for "finally doing something serious and believable". The artist proceeded to release an edit of this commission where the reptile man was replaced with his human OC. And the thing that really drove it home is that only the head and skin were really altered - the lizardman was COMPLETELY humanoid, save for his head, tail and scales. His neck, his torso, his skeletal structure, everything that prevents a normal human from being able to swallow large objects was all unchanged. There was no anatomical differences that made this lizardman more realistically able to eat people than the human OC, but because he had scales, it was kosher.

And y'know, I definitely get the appeal of certain types of pred, and how they might feel more "natural" or just vibe with one's tastes better. This wasn't a question of taste. The dude had the most inflexible combination of "realism is the only valid form of art" and "I don't actually have much understanding of the sciences I tote around as a status symbol" syndromes.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Jayezox » Mon May 30, 2022 7:11 am

My logic is "does my imagination allow this to be a pleasant experience." It's a fantasy so of course realism be damned.

Artemis wrote:...Nevermind that we'd be poisonous without preparation...

Oh, yeah forgot about that one. The prey's blood alone would kill the predator from iron poisoning assuming a same size scenario. That's if the predator survives all the other issues of swallowing a live person such as choking or organ rupture and successfully digests his or her prey.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby alockwood1 » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:15 pm

To be honest, the one thing of logic that come to my mind is "Predator-Prey Ratio". I mean, assuming that there's 1 predator per 1000 prey, how many Prey, let's say humans, could a Predator, let's say a werewolf, eat per year, with the Prey being at least 18 years old, and there's no issues between Meal 1 and Meal 1000, and still keep a healthy population. This is assuming that the Werewolf is also eating things like beef, venison, fish, chicken, pork, or whatever, when not having a human.

On one end, I did 1 human per month - population lasts 83 years, 4 months, meaning that the population of prey has gone onto at least Generation 4 by this point.

On another end, 1 human per day leads to population lasting 2 years, 8 months, 26 days - barely enough time to start on the next generation.

That being said, a werewolf could have 1 human every week, and the population would last just under 20 years, enough time for a human generation to grow up to be meals for either the same predator or another.

There's a few others, but basically, a Predator has to best not have a case of the munchies all the time - see that vampire move Daybreakers as to a very good reason as to the why.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby alockwood1 » Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:29 pm

One thing might be, how do Predators live with themselves after taking a life?

If they were a Protective Predator that took the life of a Prey that was a serious danger to other Prey - let' say that a Cat was on good terms with a group of Mice, only for a Rat to go around doing things that would get you the Death Sentence in most places, only for said Cat to catch the Rat in the Act and Eat them - they might sleep easy.

Or, again, Cat on good terms with Mice, one is fatally injured, or sick, and doesn't want to suffer, or wants Cat to eat them, again, Cat might sleep easy.

Of course, if Cat was a Serial Killer - that is filling the role as one, and not that of a protective predator - they'd probably sleep easy.

Still, maybe a Predator that's new to the whole Eating Other People thing might have issues.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby RhinoSalt » Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:52 pm

LightDragon wrote:It all comes down to suspension of disbelief.

Eating people whole and alive is stupidly ridiculous, and ridiculously stupid. But by the simple fact of reading the story, you are agreeing to put this aside.

Now, suspension of disbelief is a complex thing. Everyone has their own standards. Even more so when talking about vore, since this is already an irrational fetish at its base.

This is basically what I think as well - all porn is based on suspension of disbelief, IRL actor/actress porn or not. Vore is more "unrealistic" compared to some other fetishes, but what isn't, to be honest?
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Rejnka » Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:34 am

alockwood1 wrote:To be honest, the one thing of logic that come to my mind is "Predator-Prey Ratio". I mean, assuming that there's 1 predator per 1000 prey, how many Prey, let's say humans, could a Predator, let's say a werewolf, eat per year, with the Prey being at least 18 years old, and there's no issues between Meal 1 and Meal 1000, and still keep a healthy population. This is assuming that the Werewolf is also eating things like beef, venison, fish, chicken, pork, or whatever, when not having a human.

On one end, I did 1 human per month - population lasts 83 years, 4 months, meaning that the population of prey has gone onto at least Generation 4 by this point.

On another end, 1 human per day leads to population lasting 2 years, 8 months, 26 days - barely enough time to start on the next generation.

That being said, a werewolf could have 1 human every week, and the population would last just under 20 years, enough time for a human generation to grow up to be meals for either the same predator or another.

There's a few others, but basically, a Predator has to best not have a case of the munchies all the time - see that vampire move Daybreakers as to a very good reason as to the why.

Thanks for running the numbers! Very interesting indeed.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby fieldmousse » Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:04 am

RhinoSalt wrote:This is basically what I think as well - all porn is based on suspension of disbelief, IRL actor/actress porn or not.



I'm curious as why you say IRL porn isn't. Do you mean everything could "realistically happen"? Emotionally, or even just dialogue-wise porn can be very unbelievable IMO.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby alockwood1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:06 pm

Rejnka wrote:
alockwood1 wrote:To be honest, the one thing of logic that come to my mind is "Predator-Prey Ratio". I mean, assuming that there's 1 predator per 1000 prey, how many Prey, let's say humans, could a Predator, let's say a werewolf, eat per year, with the Prey being at least 18 years old, and there's no issues between Meal 1 and Meal 1000, and still keep a healthy population. This is assuming that the Werewolf is also eating things like beef, venison, fish, chicken, pork, or whatever, when not having a human.

On one end, I did 1 human per month - population lasts 83 years, 4 months, meaning that the population of prey has gone onto at least Generation 4 by this point.

On another end, 1 human per day leads to population lasting 2 years, 8 months, 26 days - barely enough time to start on the next generation.

That being said, a werewolf could have 1 human every week, and the population would last just under 20 years, enough time for a human generation to grow up to be meals for either the same predator or another.

There's a few others, but basically, a Predator has to best not have a case of the munchies all the time - see that vampire move Daybreakers as to a very good reason as to the why.

Thanks for running the numbers! Very interesting indeed.


Yeah, a bunch of vore stories were Predators eating Prey (especially Human-type Prey, with Human-like biology, and such), and it's like they eat Prey every day, made me run the math - either there's a LOT of Prey compared to Predators, or there's some sort of Reformation Technology/Magic going on, or, something.

I mean, there's an interactive I've added to, over on Writing.Com - All Humans Shrink - where, after centuries of dealing with Jerkass humans, some elf alchemist found the means to shrink all humans to either 6 inches or 1 centimeter, and now they do lots of things to humans, with vore being among the least bad thing done to shrunken humans. Also, shrunken female humans have at least 5 children per pregnancy, give birth quickly, and the offspring become full adults within weeks, which at least means that the assholes of the population isn't going to run out of humans to torture any time soon - I actually set up some paths where it's possible that folks aren't complete assholes to the shrunken humans, like a dragon that dislikes the fact that his favorite mistress, a human, is now six inches tall - I don't need to explain too much as to the why - and I also have, basically, a Yuan-Ti Pureblood, who is a Co-Commander of a City Guard, having to oversee the execution of a murderer, who is a human, and have the guy be beheaded by a legally official Executioner's sword, and not just use a Cleaver, because he doesn't want to set a precedent that shrunken humans are anything other than people, and need to be dealt with in the proper manner (on a related note, a lizardfolk officer, who tends to call dibs on the unclaimed bodies of Condemned criminals, is appalled when, while on vacation, he went to a restaurant to try some mysterious new delicacy, only to find that it was innocent shrunken humans - he decided to take them home instead).
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Flubber » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:44 pm

Ya see, anything that doesn't cater to me, is infact very unrealistic.
I like x
What? You like y? Well buddy guess what, that is...

NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE

Just look at Bigboobs McKenzie swallowing her prey like spaghetti, damn so realistic.

"But Bigboobs McKenzie, how u do that? Your bosom and your prey, that is like 3 times you! How can u hold that weight?"

"My spine is made from titanium"

"But bones are made from calcium!"

"Not mine, scrub"

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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Rejnka » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:55 am

Flubber wrote:Ya see, anything that doesn't cater to me, is infact very unrealistic.
I like x
What? You like y? Well buddy guess what, that is...

NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE

Just look at Bigboobs McKenzie swallowing her prey like spaghetti, damn so realistic.

"But Bigboobs McKenzie, how u do that? Your bosom and your prey, that is like 3 times you! How can u hold that weight?"

"My spine is made from titanium"

"But bones are made from calcium!"

"Not mine, scrub"

I love realism

TITANIUM! DOES! NOT! WORK! THAT! WAY!

*grumbles*
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Mecho » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:11 pm

Flubber wrote:Ya see, anything that doesn't cater to me, is infact very unrealistic.
I like x
What? You like y? Well buddy guess what, that is...

NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE

Just look at Bigboobs McKenzie swallowing her prey like spaghetti, damn so realistic.

"But Bigboobs McKenzie, how u do that? Your bosom and your prey, that is like 3 times you! How can u hold that weight?"

"My spine is made from titanium"

"But bones are made from calcium!"

"Not mine, scrub"

I love realism


This! :lol: People complaining about unrealistic parts in vore will only shoot themself in the foot and looking silly along the way. It's like an "Let me put logic on why my fap folder is better then yours"
Also, imagine how boring it must be to lack imagination.
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Re: Putting logic into vore

Postby Flubber » Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:48 pm

Rejnka wrote:
TITANIUM! DOES! NOT! WORK! THAT! WAY!

*grumbles*


That's where you're wrong, peckerino

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