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Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby TimObberon » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:32 am

Hello hope you're doing great!

I am looking for a decent vore module for NovelAI. I found a 'same size' vore module but I really wasn't terribly impressed. It seems in general, the AI is terribly resistant to trying to eat the player even when that is clearly the context set for the scene.

I like NovelAI in general, so if you have any cool tips, tricks, or suggestions; I'd love to hear them.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby Notgeti » Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:50 pm

Aren't we all, my mans. Suffice to say, there isn't one. They're all trash. The only module that can even remotely produce anything decent for the purposes of vore is, funnily enough, the "Special: Text Adventure" module that functions like AID's model did, and is mostly locked into second person.
As for advice, if you're trying to achieve soft vore, just go ahead and throw these tokens onto your blacklist (Begone from here, dessicated husks and all mentions of teeth.):
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To apply them without wanting to tear your hair out, copy and paste the entire block of text into notepad and save it as a regular file, then drag and drop that file onto NAI.

The core idea is to blacklist character actions that aren't correct, until eventually only the things you want can be generated (example: Sigurd always tries to spit people out after swallowing them, ban 'spit' and every synonym of it. No more spitting.)
At the end of the day, Sigurd just doesn't have the beaks to achieve object permanence, and will quickly forget that a stomach is a place where things generally tend to stay until otherwise made to leave in some fashion. I tried to piece together a module with the 500 peasant steps I'd been granted by our gracious overlords, but it wasn't focused enough, and I didn't have enough competent source material anyways.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:04 pm

The advertised same-size vore model is more fanfic than what was intended, I perused and did some cleanup of the original submitted text and redid the module and was still terrible, because the submitted source material was horrendous. The current GPT-J 6b doesn't have a lot of vore, neither is there anything in the fine-tune for a module to enhance. It gets screwed up with oral sex or sex in general quite often. Creation of a module would need 100% focus on vore with absolutely NO SEX to overcome current AI bias.

You'll need some great examples of vore stories to create a proper module, quality is hard come by along, and everyone has particular tastes.

I have plentiful steps available if people would be willing to submit favorite stories to create a module from.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby TimObberon » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:30 pm

Notgeti wrote:Aren't we all, my mans. Suffice to say, there isn't one. They're all trash. The only module that can even remotely produce anything decent for the purposes of vore is, funnily enough, the "Special: Text Adventure" module that functions like AID's model did, and is mostly locked into second person.
As for advice, if you're trying to achieve soft vore, just go ahead and throw these tokens onto your blacklist (Begone from here, dessicated husks and all mentions of teeth.):
Spoiler: show
{"bad_words_ids":[[1462,849],[16162],[2514,849],[46380],[10468,26946],[5390,26946],[660,2788],[9941],[6767,2788],[1665,2788],[9328,20702],[13368,20702],[660,10567],[573,10567],[6767,10567],[1665,10567],[9328,2767,13909],[13368,2767,13909],[660,316,722],[573,316,722],[6767,316,722],[1665,316,722],[9328,20702,2751],[13368,20702,2751],[2395,86],[34722],[34,6391],[2580,86],[3398,6217],[5870,6217],[2395,5469],[36615],[7376,5469],[2580,5469],[3398,6217,2751],[5870,6217,2751],[2395,19103],[1125,19103],[34,6391,276],[2580,19103],[3398,6217,1961],[5870,6217,1961],[2545],[1643],[13128],[4722],[26094],[36992],[37018],[13197],[33,578],[44540],[33,12709],[347,12709],[76,3316],[285,3316],[44,3316],[337,3316],[44,47461],[337,47461],[6098,3316],[23527],[49384],[38531],[9419,47461],[8740,47461],[18041],[2910],[21659],[7235],[9148,22808],[9878,22808],[70,382],[46835],[38,382],[17557],[38,6965],[402,6965],[69,29730],[11222],[37,29730],[38998],[3697,44011],[9977,44011],[69,648],[277,648],[37,648],[24468],[37,15567],[376,15567],[43143],[26573],[2601,707],[30358],[5097,12298],[7852,12298],[565,8356],[28421],[2601,8356],[1012,8356],[5097,12298,50],[7852,12298,50],[69,27725],[277,27725],[37,27725],[24468,82],[37,1565,14313],[376,1565,14313],[15992],[9970],[49580],[21717],[33,11651],[347,11651],[31369,413],[7813,413],[46200,413],[10884,413],[50,1268,6217],[311,1268,6217],[2777,265],[15246],[4561,265],[1338,265],[4303,1404],[6226,1404],[85,296,270],[44542],[53,296,270],[569,296,270],[53,2662,2043],[569,2662,2043],[85,296,863],[20918,863],[53,296,863],[569,296,863],[53,2662,22061],[569,2662,22061],[35095],[11945],[33,1952],[31823],[33,39677],[347,39677],[4491,741],[2146,741],[20044,741],[3461,741],[44,20673,3698],[337,20673,3698],[354,2954],[16058],[1925,2954],[609,2954],[3398,4944,42],[5870,4944,42],[354,7855],[442,7855],[1925,7855],[609,7855],[3398,3913,2751],[5870,3913,2751],[354,322],[442,322],[1925,322],[37932],[3398,3913],[5870,3913],[7537,74],[4791,74],[39,17990],[13895,74],[39,2937,42],[367,2937,42],[67,408,3474],[288,408,3474],[35,408,3474],[360,408,3474],[35,7597,2149,11617],[360,7597,2149,11617],[67,408,5344],[288,408,5344],[35,408,5344],[360,408,5344],[35,7597,2149,6158],[360,7597,2149,6158],[1077],[12530],[26754],[7844],[11211],[7054,39],[7465],[29914],[1722,956],[34143],[11211,1546],[7054,39,1546],[354,3361],[442,3361],[1925,3361],[609,3361],[3398,2662,47],[5870,2662,47],[354,3361,278],[442,3361,278],[1925,3361,278],[609,3361,278],[3398,2662,47,2751],[5870,2662,47,2751],[6098,1530],[19813],[13916,1530],[40104],[9419,27143],[8740,27143],[6098,8023],[24949],[13916,8023],[3864,8023],[9419,27143,2751],[8740,27143,2751],[4491,14002],[2146,14002],[20044,14002],[3461,14002],[44,20673,37142],[337,20673,37142],[83,17990],[256,17990],[51,17990],[309,17990],[51,2937,42],[309,2937,42],[83,385,591],[256,385,591],[51,385,591],[46233,591],[51,2937,27015],[309,2937,27015]]}

To apply them without wanting to tear your hair out, copy and paste the entire block of text into notepad and save it as a regular file, then drag and drop that file onto NAI.

The core idea is to blacklist character actions that aren't correct, until eventually only the things you want can be generated (example: Sigurd always tries to spit people out after swallowing them, ban 'spit' and every synonym of it. No more spitting.)
At the end of the day, Sigurd just doesn't have the beaks to achieve object permanence, and will quickly forget that a stomach is a place where things generally tend to stay until otherwise made to leave in some fashion. I tried to piece together a module with the 500 peasant steps I'd been granted by our gracious overlords, but it wasn't focused enough, and I didn't have enough competent source material anyways.


Thank you! This is pretty brilliant. I appreciate the share.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby maleperduis » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am

For some reason AIDungeon seems to understand what vore is, whereas NovelAI doesn't. Probably a difference in text that the model was trained on
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:35 am

AIDungeon has 175 Billion parameters it learns from, while NAI's AI model only has 6 Billion to work from, big difference. People are hoping the 22 or 40b future models will deliver good results, but they're not likely to come about until the chip shortage is resolved
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby TimObberon » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:26 am

AlluringPredation wrote:AIDungeon has 175 Billion parameters it learns from, while NAI's AI model only has 6 Billion to work from, big difference. People are hoping the 22 or 40b future models will deliver good results, but they're not likely to come about until the chip shortage is resolved


That's wild, I had no idea. Too bad the product direction/vision for AI Dungeon has been so awful.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby Notgeti » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:00 pm

TimObberon wrote:
AlluringPredation wrote:AIDungeon has 175 Billion parameters it learns from, while NAI's AI model only has 6 Billion to work from, big difference. People are hoping the 22 or 40b future models will deliver good results, but they're not likely to come about until the chip shortage is resolved


That's wild, I had no idea. Too bad the product direction/vision for AI Dungeon has been so awful.


If it makes you feel better, parameter counts have somewhat diminishing returns on actual effectiveness, so NAI really isn't that much worse in the grand scheme. Not to mention their finetune is generally way better than AID's, y'know, except for vore >.>.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:44 pm

TimObberon wrote:That's wild, I had no idea. Too bad the product direction/vision for AI Dungeon has been so awful.


It honestly is too bad. Vore is in a weird spot where it's SFW enough it could slide by OpenAI's content restrictions, but AID's atrocious finetune destroys the AI, have NovelAI give better responses than a super powered AI burning coal like nobody's business.

I would love for people to link their favorite, best written stories to make a module from.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby Notgeti » Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:54 pm

AlluringPredation wrote:
TimObberon wrote:That's wild, I had no idea. Too bad the product direction/vision for AI Dungeon has been so awful.


It honestly is too bad. Vore is in a weird spot where it's SFW enough it could slide by OpenAI's content restrictions, but AID's atrocious finetune destroys the AI, have NovelAI give better responses than a super powered AI burning coal like nobody's business.

I would love for people to link their favorite, best written stories to make a module from.


What I personally tried to do was get some of the more vore-centric chapters from https://aryion.com/g4/user/Aces, but, uh... I dunno, there's a lot of fluff.
https://aryion.com/g4/user/Lutro is theoretically a fantastic choice, his stories are freakin' gravy. It's mostly pokemon though, which is fine, but not great for general use vore probably? Who knows though.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Tue Oct 05, 2021 6:15 pm

EDIT: This post was originally poorly made and I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I do not know names, not my place to ask, but among those are people whose creative talents I do greatly respect, and some whose company I have greatly enjoyed. It is honestly heartbreaking to know I have offended some of you, especially since a few I am incredibly fond of on a more personal level.

For desired content. Some fluff is okay, and things can be edited out, but I'll read through some. The AI has trouble differentiating vore and sex, as sex has such a strong bias because internet, so I'm avoidant of including lewdity outside vore.

Someone made module of solely PrinnyDood and module did comparatively well so would love to add.
Those two are on my list I would love to get permission from. While my interests don't match up with Aces, their stories have carry their own weight in quality writing that's hard to match and enjoyable all on their own. Lutro is absolutely fantastic but tends towards character types people might not want, (fanfiction of popular character can have a powerful effect that override anything else, also furry/feral presence online is present and good supply with high-risk of overwriting demi-human type character content.
Also been buying up Brazzel/Vagueness Incoming's story collections to potentially include in the module training, they excel as descriptive writing. Still taking my time reading through their stories and don't want to blow nearly $100 on stories all at once. https://snakethroatbooks.gumroad.com/?_ga=2.254827919.609023150.1633583600-1312215140.1633267054&_gl=1*j49jng*_ga*MTMxMjIxNTE0MC4xNjMzMjY3MDU0*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTYzMzU4MzYwMC42LjAuMTYzMzU4MzYwMC4w
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby Eka » Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:53 pm

Long as you obtain permission. Of course.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby notitthrowaway » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:25 am

AlluringPredation wrote:I would love for people to link their favorite, best written stories to make a module from.

I went deep down the rabbit hole a little while ago combing through my favorites and downloading stories to try out the module training system. It was my first attempt, I only minimally edited the file text, I probably included too many conflicting styles and subjects, and the module ended up being not great. But if I may suggest a few more stories that might be good for a generic vore module...

- ad12345. Several. You could honestly probably make a whole module from their stories alone. If I had to pick just a few, then maybe "Daughter Exchange", "What Daughters Are For", and their new story "Solving a Fattening Mystery"
- Apex: "The Morning After"
- Belloc. Again, a lot to choose from. "Cold", "Converge", and "Outdoor Cooking" might be good options. I also like "Secret's Out", but it might have too much non-vore sexual content for it to be useful enough ("Converge" might be skirting that line too?)
- Bellybook (honorable mention). They've got some good stuff, but it's all really short so I'm not sure how that would impact a module. It's also fairly sexual, and involves a lot of incestual vore (which I clearly have a penchant for but I recognize isn't everyone's cup of tea) so might bias it that way too much.
- Brazzel: Many, but a lot of them are sexual. "The Cam Girl" and "The Other Side of Paradise" are some good ones that are light on explicit sex.
- BrowsingChipmunk on DeviantArt: "Her Selfless Muse" and "A Voracious Thanksgiving".
- Chameleonette: "A Night to Remember" and "The Perfect Prey". Well written, and relatively little explicit sexual content (especially in the latter), which is a rarity among my favorites.
- CuriousTaste on DeviantArt: "A Curious Taste" and "Earned Me", and maybe "Meal Review" and "The Delicious Treatment". Honestly CuriousTaste is great, I really like all of these, I'm just hesitant about the latter two because they include some online-message-style text which I thought might throw off the AI.
- EloquentOrc: "Last Call"
- fredhailton42: "Riding at the Ranch". Completely furry, in case you're specifically looking for human material.
- Gypa on DeviantArt: "Hannah's Hunger"
- hetcomc: "Fulfilling Her Fantasy, Fulfilling Her Belly"
- HipHugger: "Amber" (1, maybe 2)
- Hoboman: "Deep Desire"
- IndifferentEmpath: Many, but almost all are sexual. "Dinner Date", "Mutual Thanks Giving", and "A Convenient Hookup" for some options.
- innertrack: Many, but often sexual. Also mostly series. "Dinner Date" is my favorite overall, "Devour Me Tenderly" is shorter and easier to just stick together in one file. Really love innertrack's work in general, though.
- KinoTheCat: "Gaming for Breakfast", and "The Curious Case of Sarah Valentine" (literally just found the latter for the first time when looking for the former). "Sarah Valentine" has an anthro pred.
- Lightness0001: "Improv". Short but great.
- Marloweny: Just in general. "Into Ghosts", "Spicing Things Up", "Spicing Things Up More", and "Sounding Spicy" for some specific choices (might be a little short). Marloweny's one of the GOATs in my opinion, but often involves a lot of non-vore (or weird vore) stuff.
- Naganommer: "The Beach Party". Might take a bit of editing to make it AI-friendly, it's split up into a bunch of sections
- Omnium51: Many. "Boys For Breakfast", "An Innocent Request", and "Tit Fat Before Touchdown" as a sample.
- Onlineperson12 on DeviantArt: "Vore - Yoga and Lunch"
- starrynight: "The Next Best Thing"
- SwallowMe: "A Rich Summer Seduction"
- TessaYung: "Un-Fin Chapter 5", "Dreamy Mistake"
- ThatGuySigma: "Welcome to Goth IHOP"
- TW: "A Vorish First Date". Might require some editing, looks like the formatting is a little weird on the site.
- TwrchTwryth: Many. "Better than the Donkey", "A Day with the Greatest Ass in the World", "Mara's Problem". Another one of the GOATs.
- VaguenessIncoming: "Desserts and Paper Hearts" and the "Gunung" series
- Vorrua: "Points of View". Might be a little weird for training since it switches POV halfway through.
- William Levy: "VR8U". Good, but a little weird (relatively). Basically soft hard vore (biting but no blood/pain). May not fit the rest of the data set. Not easily available, I think I found it attached to some random forum thread, but I can send it if you're curious.
- WilderHoney: "Fish in a Cubicle"
- Winny: "Prey Slut"
- WSOD: "Gynophagiox". A trilogy. Amazing stories, honestly, but 'weird' in the same way as "VR8U". Soft hard vore, the titular drug makes girls edible. Also not easily available, need to use the wayback machine, but I can send them.
- ZombieSlave: "The Sudden Obsession". Not posted in a gallery, I think it was just an attachment in their forum thread, but I can send it if necessary.

This is after I filtered things out of my list that were too short, had too much sex, were too weird, etc. I have a lot more that I used for trying to train my module the first time. I have copies of all these downloaded already, so if you or anyone else is interested in using them I'd be happy to send them over so you don't have to go hunting like I did. I'd also be willing to contribute my own training steps on NovelAI if it would be useful for developing an actually decent vore module.

Side note -- I wondered how well the AI would handle series, and avoided a few stories in my module for that reason (although some were too good to ignore). If you leave them as separate files there might be crucial context missing from the writing of an individual story (in the AI's eyes), but if you try to combine them the writing will be a little disjointed as it jumps from story to story. Would appreciate anyone's insight on this.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:28 am

An AI module is 20x4096 floating point numbers that average an aggregated text samples to influence percentage bias in vectors of tokens to create a thematic style for a given AI language model. Source material included is unrecoverable in any way, shape, or form. It is exceedingly difficult to 'teach' the AI anything new through use of modules, many tried and consistently failed. I have been using my own backlog of stories never released and have not run into my own creations.

Modules are best used in conjunction with the lorebook function, Modules will help a words appear, but it's necessary for lorebooks to provide examples of characters, locations, setting, vore methods, or anything else that is not in the AI's training/finetuning. The less source material used within the original building of the AI module and influence by the source material the less likely you are to have the AI following along on it's own.

Seeing as vore is next to non-existent in GPT-Jax, and NAI's finetune, it's a huge hurdle to overcome in getting it to work. This also makes it impossible for the AI to regurgitate copyrighted material included unless it is actively and intentionally included in input context. One would have to input copyright material into their actual story context to output copyrighted material, that is dependent on the individual rather than on an AI Module.

Do note: On October 30, 2019 OpenAI submitted response to United States Patent and Trademark Office's query, stating that use of AI is considered fair use according to 17 U.S.C. § 107 and stands currently unchallenged in court.
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a
commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted
work.
1. Case law has exceptions for transformative works. The purpose of AI is wholly transformative, the nature of NAI is as a writing tool assistant requiring constant input by user to guide the output.
3. A module itself is ~80k vectors and contains no actual source material, and can not be reverted back into source material.
4. Market value of source material is unaffected.

NAI user reject requests of sharing paid source material in creation of modules, only sharing purchase links to their source material. One user has spent thousands on books in creation of modules while I have purchased many stories in recent months, many others as well. Showing that rather than DECREASE market value, NAI module creation has been increasing the value of source material through exposure and actual sale.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby notitthrowaway » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:02 am

AlluringPredation wrote:Modules are best used in conjunction with the lorebook function, Modules will help a words appear, but it's necessary for lorebooks to provide examples of characters, locations, setting, vore methods, or anything else that is not in the AI's training/finetuning.

It's been my experience as well that the lorebook is as or more important than the module for getting specific kinks (namely vore) to happen and be done properly. Makes me wonder whether anyone has a good standard vore lorebook they'd be willing to share (mine is pretty basic right now). I'm also still experimenting with how the lorebook is best used, how much content is useful, and what maximum token limit the lorebook should be allowed to use in the context.

On that note, how do you handle changes to character details in the lorebook over the course of the story? Specifically in vore stories, if you have a lorebook entry for a character and they get eaten, do you go into the lorebook immediately and note "character has been eaten by ___, they are currently in ___'s stomach"? Then update it when they've been digested, and update the pred's entry to mention all this also, and when their belly is flat again, etc. That's been the best way I've been able to get the AI to stay on track with a vore (or other weird kink) scene, but micromanaging the character entries like that is very tedious and takes me out of it. Is there a better way?
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:05 am

Logit bias was introduced today, which gives opportunity to reduce sexual output and vore confusion, and improve vore itself by encourage some common terms/phrases.

Modules: Stories have to be properly cleaned to be included in a module. Many text will give you fancy styled characters [ “ ” ’ ] MUST be replaced by [ " ' ] or it will give you garbletext. Double linebreaks are bad, words that do not tokenize well are bad, paragraphs must wrap correctly (PDF ruins word wrapping inserting linebreaks midsentence).
There's a laundry list of things to check to ensure a story is ready to be included or even the best story will reduce the overall quality, which may have caused your module to go awry. But it's difficult to tell since I haven't had enough time to play around and playtest anything.

How much lorebook content should be used? With only 6b parameters NAI is a few-shot model, meaning it requires a few example before it give an appropriate response, especially for unusual concepts like vore. But until we have the ability to randomize lorebook entries this causes some (boring) repetitiveness in terms of word usage.

As for changes to a character condition, I'm unsure. I tend to do 1 on 1 encounters as the AI has trouble with people exiting the scene.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby PrinnyDood » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:26 am

AlluringPredation wrote:Someone made module of solely PrinnyDood and module did comparatively well so might be including their work.

Whaaat? This is the first I've heard about that.

Not that I mind, really, though I'd be curious who this 'someone' was, and if the results were available anywhere. Just to confim I'm not being replaced by AI just yet, of course. :lol:
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby AlluringPredation » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:38 am

PrinnyDood wrote:Whaaat? This is the first I've heard about that.

Not that I mind, really, though I'd be curious who this 'someone' was, and if the results were available anywhere. Just to confim I'm not being replaced by AI just yet, of course. :lol:


Not even close to being replaced, the AI tends to reflect what the writer enters, so unless they're writing exactly like you the results will vary greatly. Hell, even if YOU were to give the AI context of your own writing using a module based on your own writing the results would differ. Largest problem is the lack of parameters included with the AI, ends up with lower quality output.

This is where the module file is hosted, can't do much without a subscription to NAI: https://rentry.co/modules#prinny
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby Eka » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:07 pm

AlluringPredation wrote:An AI module is 20x4096 floating point numbers that average an aggregated text samples to influence percentage bias in vectors of tokens to create a thematic style for a given AI language model. Source material included is unrecoverable in any way, shape, or form. It is exceedingly difficult to 'teach' the AI anything new through use of modules, many tried and consistently failed. I have been using my own backlog of stories never released and have not run into my own creations.

Modules are best used in conjunction with the lorebook function, Modules will help a words appear, but it's necessary for lorebooks to provide examples of characters, locations, setting, vore methods, or anything else that is not in the AI's training/finetuning. The less source material used within the original building of the AI module and influence by the source material the less likely you are to have the AI following along on it's own.

Seeing as vore is next to non-existent in GPT-Jax, and NAI's finetune, it's a huge hurdle to overcome in getting it to work. This also makes it impossible for the AI to regurgitate copyrighted material included unless it is actively and intentionally included in input context. One would have to input copyright material into their actual story context to output copyrighted material, that is dependent on the individual rather than on an AI Module.

Do note: On October 30, 2019 OpenAI submitted response to United States Patent and Trademark Office's query, stating that use of AI is considered fair use according to 17 U.S.C. § 107 and stands currently unchallenged in court.
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a
commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted
work.
1. Case law has exceptions for transformative works. The purpose of AI is wholly transformative, the nature of NAI is as a writing tool assistant requiring constant input by user to guide the output.
3. A module itself is ~80k vectors and contains no actual source material, and can not be reverted back into source material.
4. Market value of source material is unaffected.

NAI user reject requests of sharing paid source material in creation of modules, only sharing purchase links to their source material. One user has spent thousands on books in creation of modules while I have purchased many stories in recent months, many others as well. Showing that rather than DECREASE market value, NAI module creation has been increasing the value of source material through exposure and actual sale.


I'm 100% not okay with the narrative trying to set here.

If you wish to take copyright material into OpenAI or any other type of Machine Learning/processing system to generate something, that is entirely your right, but if you plan on sharing those materials somewhere, which, a few people are talking about doing so, don't expect this site to encourage this behavior unless you obtain permission from artist involved in the dataset.

I am going to make it really clear here. How artists want their use should be respected. This site should have already made it really easy to obtain permission and provide a source for them. This is not a legal question. If I keep seeing this sort of unwillingness to respect artist and their work on the same site they publish their work, I am just going to have to ask you all to go somewhere else for this.
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Re: Looking for a NovelAI Vore Module

Postby notitthrowaway » Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:52 pm

Eka wrote:If you wish to take copyright material into OpenAI or any other type of Machine Learning/processing system to generate something, that is entirely your right, but if you plan on sharing those materials somewhere, which, a few people are talking about doing so, don't expect this site to encourage this behavior unless you obtain permission from artist involved in the dataset.

Are you talking about free, publicly accessible works as well? Because I think everyone is already in total agreement about paid works at least -- every story I mentioned is freely available, I would never share paid materials without explicit permission, and it didn't seem to me that AlluringPredation was offering to do that either.

As for stories that are posted publicly and available to read for free, I also totally agree that authors should be respected, I just literally didn't consider that using their work as part of a source material bundle like this (which won't be accessible to random users of the module), even without permission, would be considered disrespectful? I mean... on this site in particular, there's literally a "Download" button right beneath every story. It kind of feels like "go ahead and download this for personal, non-commercial use" is the default assumption in this case, rather than having to ask to click the download button and potentially share the story with someone. Of course, there are exceptions -- obviously it's still a no-no to just go ahead and re-post things verbatim in a different gallery, or take credit/not give any credit for a story that doesn't belong to you. If I was to share stories (even free stories) to help with creating a module like this, I'd do so directly and privately, I wouldn't just post them somewhere.

Upon re-reading the thread, it still doesn't feel like anyone was disrespecting authors or suggesting actions that would be disrespectful... But I'm totally open to the idea that maybe I'm just ignorant about these things and may have some learning to do. And regardless of my opinion, at the end of the day, it's your site.
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