Hello, yes, I have started to reach out to people for permission. I'm not even sure if I'm GOING to end up creating a module, for personal use or to share, but after the discussion with Eka in here I did send out requests just in case, and to gauge people's feelings about such a thing if nothing else. Let me try to clarify a few things.
Chameleonette wrote:I got a message about this on my page and declined to have my work included. It will take things out of context of my work and I'm not comfortable with that at all.
Absolutely, as is your right. Regardless of your reasons, and even before any of this discussion, if someone tells me that they don't want their work used as part of a project like that, it won't be used. Simple as that.
Chameleonette wrote:And after reading here that this person messaging me and others didn't even find it disrespectful to do so without permission doesn't sit well with me at all. In addition to the fact that they were apparently already intending to do this without asking permission at first AND offering the story copies out to others. You didn't mention this in your message you mass sent to us, notitthrowaway.
Two points here:
1) I was originally intending to create and possibly share a module without asking permission. True, I won't deny that. It wasn't out of malice though, I just didn't realize anyone would possibly care, which is something I have now definitely been made aware of.
2) "Offering the story copies out to others". Let's be clear -- if an AI module is created from a bunch of stories, that module itself is certainly
influenced by those stories, but there's practically no raw information from the original stories in it to be shared. At most, it might use a particular word or phrase a bit more because it was used in a few of the stories in the data set. I don't think it's fair to say that sharing the module would be sharing the stories themselves, even though the author's right to control their work's role in (or omission from) the creation of the module should still be respected. And of course, if I ever share a full story from Eka's, I always have and will just give the link to where it's posted.
EDIT: Actually, although that is how I normally approach sharing stories, I realize now that I did also offer to send downloaded story files from this site
specifically for the purpose of collecting data for training (I wouldn't just send them out to anyone), which was a misstep. I also definitely won't do that without permission either.
minakotomoka14 wrote:... stealing people's stories without permission to use for your vore bot... I wouldn't want my work copied and fed to some bot...
Again, that's absolutely your right, something which I was ignorant about but have since been made aware of. If I'm totally, completely honest, I personally still sort of think that people should make a point of saying they don't want their work used for this sort of thing (totally their choice), rather than expecting it to always be ask-first if it's been posted publicly...
BUT I also really don't want to disrespect people, that's not what I'm trying to do. I wasn't trying to sneak around and steal work, I just misunderstood how people felt about its use. And regardless of any of my own opinions, if someone wants to refuse that their work be used, that's totally fine and I'll respect that. It doesn't matter what I think, if most people expect to be asked for permission for something like this, that's what should be done. That's why I'm now going around asking people instead of, you know, just doing it anyway. And some are declining, which is both enlightening, and again... totally fine. Those wishes will be respected.
This whole thing has been humbling, I made a mistaken assumption and learned from the response. I will now and in the future ask for permission before using people's work like this.