Vore art of Vtubers?

[157and493]

What would people’s opinions on vore art of Vtubers such as Projekt Melody, Silvervale, and Nyanners be from a backlash standpoint?

There are people who say you should not draw sexualized art of virtual avatars since it is essentially sexualizing the person themselves, although I am not sure I agree with that idea and I do not know if that is the majority opinion.

Also, do you think the fanbases of these Vtubers would get angry if they saw art like this or would they not really care?








Finally, and this is not really relevant but I want to talk about it anyway, Nyanners actually has mentioned vore on one of her streams as a joke where she pretended to eat a frog.

[InvisibleHand]

Personally, I'll always separate the fictional avatars from the real person behind them in whatever circumstance, but it's kind of understandable why others wouldn't, especially the V-Tubers themselves. I'm pretty sure that all of them know that there are lewds of their avatars out there, but with something like vore it might seem a bit weird to them. I reckon some avid fans might potentially feel the need to 'protect' their favourite V-Tuber if they ever saw them in vore-based artwork, but it's unlikely considering that they would only stumble upon it whilst searching for porn of them in the first place.

Even if an artist had some sort of disclaimer saying that they have no intent of tying the the real person to the art of the avatar, it might still rub certain people the wrong way. Best to just keep it to private, I say.

Finally, and this is not really relevant but I want to talk about it anyway, Nyanners actually has mentioned vore on one of her streams as a joke where she pretended to eat a frog.

Similarly, there's a Hololive (Japanese V-Tuber company) member called Watame (a sheep girl), who on a stream was told that another Hololive member called Botan (a lion girl) was going to eat her. Her reaction was pretty adorable and all in good fun, but vore wasn't specifically mentioned. There's also a clip of her in a collab with some other V-Tubers asking her if she's eaten jingisukan (a Japanese dish containing mutton, essentially asking if she's a cannibal).

Obviously when they do it it's mostly a joke, and they aren't considering the possibility that someone would be turned on by the idea. I think a common fantasy with this sort of thing is ''What if she's actually into it though?'', or something like that, but in reality they'd probably be a little freaked out if they saw themselves being eaten or eating someone else. Vore is a relatively rare fetish, after all. I think crossing the line would be someone asking if the V-Tuber is into vore after they made an innocent joke, or something similar.

Just my two cents.

[RiskyBoomer]

I think it's on the same level of taboo as making vore art (or any nsfw art) based on Youtubers like JaidenAnimations or Shgurr, as technically their avatars are what represent them to their audience.

[TheKawaiiCommie]

Seems scummy to make fetish art of anyone's online avatar without their express permission. I'd recommend against it as most would likely rather not be porn-ified without their knowledge. It's the equivelent of taking and sharing creepshots. Please just don't do it.

[Shugoki]

This is the internet. It's gonna happen in some capacity no matter what. How many characters have art made of them of a nature which their creators never intended or approved of? VTuber avatars are not real people, they're cartoons. Virtual puppets. Porn, vore, whatever...it's not like it really means anything in the end. If there's vore art of a VTuber avatar, what does that really change? Shit, I'm pretty sure there's already porn of them right now, so what more damage can really be done?

[AlimentaryArtist]

Don't really watch any of the channels you're talking about so I'm not really sure what to what extent this is in the realm of moral reprehensibility, if at all. If these people are representing themselves with art then the art isn't them, though they do associate themselves and their identities with it so it's still morally grey. It's not quite the same as drawing porn of a cartoon character who someone voices but doesn't identify with, to their audiences and, to some extent themselves, that avatar IS them, so I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable with doing the art myself.

On the other hand if they are on camera playing a character and you use their image for porn I think that's morally wrong, that's a real person's image you're portraying, just because someone with less scruples might do it anyway doesn't in any way make it a right thing to do.

In the end I don't think any of it is morally exculpable, as I pointed out before, avatars aren't the same as cartoons, people don't identify with cartoons voicing them is a job, an avatar is a vehicle for their voice and fetishizing it is a bit too close to fetishizing the person themselves.

[Birichino]

The avatars are kind of a stop-gap between the audience and the person themselves, but that's because they assume the role of the person's image. They may even be idealized to the point of being their persona, so it can be just as upsetting to see one's avatar in R34 art as one's real look, I'd imagine.

I mean, making NSFW art of anyone else's IP without some kind of blessing or consent is rude, but Vtubers' avatars are much more personal to their users than, say, the Mario princesses or Teen Titans are to their creators.

[Lerkur]

Honestly, whether it's right or wrong, people are going to draw what they want. The fact that a real person was involved hasn't stopped the vore community from making vore art of characters like Serleena, with some even going as far as portraying the actress as a predator in some comics. Also, there's an endless stream of photoshopped pictures right here on the site, and not all of them are from adult sites or similar. I doubt most of them are okay with that. And numerous real life actresses have been featured in vore writing on the site. This activity has already been a thing for a while, and probably wouldn't be accepted outside of places like Eka's regardless.

It more comes down to what media are you okay with making, and what media you're okay with enjoying. Rule 34 has been a forced meme for a long time and is probably going to be a forced meme long after we're dead, with some trolls trying to maintain it just to get under people's skin. Not letting these things get to you is important.

As for VTubers themselves, Projekt Melody already does work as a camgirl and a lot of the english ones go into heavy innuendo and sex jokes for laughs/views/donations. The ones that are already heavily sexualized (and not just their appearance) probably won't care what you draw of them. Meanwhile the more normal Vtubers might get creeped out by anything explicit. So, it's probably more case by case, and how you feel about a particular Vtuber.

There's also a difference between joke-like vore, implied vore, and the real fetish heavy stuff. Hololive has had a lot of this in particular it seems. Watame, who's already been mentioned here, did a bit where she was cooked by the sun and eaten, only to "respawn" 8 seconds later. She also did a stream with Botan that ended with the implication she was eaten. These are a far cry from the more graphic stuff that tends to get drawn here.

Also, I found this while preparing to post. Some people here might like it from a vore standpoint, though a lot of more normal people might just laugh at it for the joke. But, think about some of the other vore art or even cooking art that's uploaded to the site on a regular basis and you'll probably notice the difference. Though the more that light stuff get's made, the more likely that some types will just want it pushed too far. And if it can damage their images, it might damage their careers.

So, I went on kind of a rant. My point is, I think it's about pacing oneself and controlling oneself. And certain elements might make the whole argument moot anyway.

[Yaouyoppe]

I think it's fair game until the vtuber says not to do it. Many don't care or say just to not share it in their art tags.
To add to the Hololive thing, A-chan once talked about getting horny after seeing Yoshi put other characters in eggs in Smash bros and something about king Dedede. There's also the time in Gura's 3D live concert where Marine just up and told her she wanted to be eaten by her.

[AlluringPredation]

Wow, 4 year old thread brought back to life, not a bad thing.

I don't agree with the idea of making potentially distasteful art of someone's character, which is very looked down upon here with other's own OCs. Expecting them to police the entire internet to ask people not to do things they don't like of their character, that's a big ask of someone who has a large following to attend to as part of their career.

I'd rather shift focus to the many vtubers emerged in recent few years, how many of them are openly accepting/enjoy vore and other fringe fetishes. Not that there's a huge pool, but there's enough that you can create something mutually enjoyable for the creator and the character owner. Even if it's not their thing, there's a significant amount of vtubers that see anything as free advertising regardless of how they are depicted.

I know people like to push the boundaries with popular characters, with those who often allude or joke even about vore might seem fine, and it could be fine if tastefully done with regards to the character owner. If someone likes a vtuber THAT MUCH they gotta do art of them, I assume they would be familiar with what would be deemed appropriate for said character/creator.

[JDandAliProductions]

As someone who became a VTuber a little while ago I would be fine with it personally as long as the person making art of me asked me for permission first.