Any Christian voraphiles?

[ChewDoo]

Hello! I am a Christian. Since as long as I can remember, I've gotten a happy feeling from the idea of being eaten by dragons or some other monster. I love dragons. I love sharp teeth and claws. I love saliva. All the stuff that goes along with that, cheeks and tongue and etc, you probably all know the drill. I love being toyed with and teased by a predator. I like being chased and defeated. It's not something sexual, so I'm not quite sure if vore is the right word. The closest description I've been able to find for it is C.S. Lewis's concept of Joy. Which sounds incredibly strange to me, because I can't easily comprehend the reason why something like this would evoke something like that. Whether wires got crossed somewhere so something is broken, or whether this is intentional I am unable to confidently say; the latter means something very strange spiritually if true.

I've given a lot of thought and mulled over my own problems. I'm still uncomfortably on the fence. Are there any other Christians here that are voraphiles? What are your thoughts on the matter? How do you justify or condemn it? Do you have any stories or thoughts? I'd be super interested in hearing about others like me!

Here's my Discord tag if you'd like to DM me. I don't regularly check this website.
The Dixieland Diddler#7957

[Voraciousmoga]

Why is being christian relevant ? It's a fantasy you enjoy in moderation. You mention it not being sexual but it seems you enjoy it to the point where it could have the same effects as porn. Nothing to justify or condemn. There is no need to even drag religion into it at all (especially if it's non sexual as you've claimed) Just a fantasy you enjoy to yourself. If it begins "consuming" aspects of your life and hindering your time and relationships then you should probably seek help. Otherwise there are plenty of folks to connect with.

[Radijs]

There are a LOT Of diffrent Christian denominations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_C ... ominations
And to be completely fair, quite a few would probably mark Vore as a sin and be done with it. There's probably also quite a few who wouldn't have a problem with it.
And so, the answers you're going to get are gonna depend a lot on which christian you talk to.

What makes you think vore is a 'bad' thing and what makes you think it's a 'good' thing?

[DrCaius]

Welcome to the Christian Self Loathing Society ChewToo

Just kidding. I'm Catholic and prey so get what you mean. Yeah vore is a fetish and is therefore a sin for Christians. But I wouldn't hang on it. Being a Christian isn't a checkbox exercise where one wrong answer is going to make you a bad person or send you to hell. Jesus himself sinned a lot. The point and his message was to devote yourself to loving others and spreading tolerance, forgiveness and respect wherever you can. Live that life and I'm sure that God won't care what kinks you have provided they don't cause real harm. And keep in mind who wrote most religious doctrines, when those took place, and what those people's exposure to sexuality would have been. It's all about the context. God will care how you treated other people.

So just spread love and Christ's message and don't worry. Certainly don't condemn it, there's nothing 'wrong' with you. Vore and other fetishes are perfectly normal, there are reasons they exist, and human brains are complicated.

I would politely suggest not falling into the trap of thinking that it's not sexual. There are lots of users here who say that they just find some voreish things 'comforting' or 'interesting' or something similar and that it's not sexual. All of those things are sexual when you look at the feelings and responses they get from their vore experience. Some people don't appreciate how broad sexual responses can be. So narrowly defining what makes something sexual isn't the answer.

I had a relationship with a furry who was insistent that it wasn't a sexual thing and she was only in it for the fandom. Of course when we were intimate the fursuit would come out. She still insisted that it was only because that was how she felt most comfortable and being a furry was in no way sexual.

I'm not perfect, no one is or can be. My own big problem is that vore for me isn't just a fantasy. I want to be eaten/consumed IRL and will absolutely sacrifice myself if the opportunity ever arises. I'm hopeful that a mad scientist will make it possible one day. My wife knows that wish and would (of course) be unhappy about it. So my ongoing and final desire hurts the person I love the most. Not ideal. Not very Christian. But hating myself about that one aspect of myself would only make me worse at spreading love to others.

[JimmyJoeIII]

My own big problem is that vore for me isn't just a fantasy. I want to be eaten/consumed IRL and will absolutely sacrifice myself if the opportunity ever arises. I'm hopeful that a mad scientist will make it possible one day.

Sounds like a disorder, my guy. Time for therapy.

[LucifersChef]

Aren't all christians voraphiles?

The whole eating the body of christ thing and communion.

[Garz]

Huh. I'm Christian and a voraphile, and a bit uncomfortable with this topic - but maybe other people are too and thus me responding will help?

In my denomination, sex isn't a sin, and vore is strictly fantasy. I don't feel any more problematic having a story focus on someone eating someone compared to, say, having a story that focuses on a serial killer or ballerina or newspaper delivery person or whatever. It's fantasy.

Now, sometimes I will analyze 'Is this sequence right or wrong', and sometimes those decisions are interesting to look at. I actually had a lengthy talk with my Pastor about one of the settings I'd invented - I invented 'The Six Gods', and we had a rather neat talk about 'My views on how important free will is', haha. This discussion wasn't really prompted by anything (Or not really anyway), it just is how talking turned out.

But writing a story or drawing a picture (or watching a movie or reading a book) about something is not the same thing as 'I will then go do this in real life', or a /lot/ of things would be problematic, even relatively benign ones like 'ditching my responsibilities and getting on a bus' or sommat.

Explaining faith is always hard for me, though, and I generally don't attempt to do so. I do make sure I (not my characters in my stories, me the person) try to be a positive force, though!

[mushroomhead666]

I am one too also love cannibalism.

[EnderDracolich]

There's been discussion of religious and other demographic groups on the site before. If you search you can probably find it?
IIRC, there are quite a lot of religious people here, based on a poll someone posted around the time I joined.

[Doku]

Hello! I am a Christian. Since as long as I can remember, I've gotten a happy feeling from the idea of being eaten by dragons or some other monster. I love dragons. I love sharp teeth and claws. I love saliva. All the stuff that goes along with that, cheeks and tongue and etc, you probably all know the drill. I love being toyed with and teased by a predator. I like being chased and defeated. It's not something sexual, so I'm not quite sure if vore is the right word. The closest description I've been able to find for it is C.S. Lewis's concept of Joy. Which sounds incredibly strange to me, because I can't easily comprehend the reason why something like this would evoke something like that. Whether wires got crossed somewhere so something is broken, or whether this is intentional I am unable to confidently say; the latter means something very strange spiritually if true.

I've given a lot of thought and mulled over my own problems. I'm still uncomfortably on the fence. Are there any other Christians here that are voraphiles? What are your thoughts on the matter? How do you justify or condemn it? Do you have any stories or thoughts? I'd be super interested in hearing about others like me!

I won't be contacting you off site. You'll see this when you get the chance. I'm a bit of a private person.
You receive an ecstatic arousal of an emotional and cathartic nature from the idea of being devoured. Yes, endosomaphilia, Vore and Vorearephiia are decent terms to describe this fascination. How you got there isn't something that I think any of us is able to speak to. I barely have sufficient information to speak to how I ended up at this place over a decade ago. If you need to explore the 'how I got here' you might have more luck working with a counselor who specializes in paraphilia or erotic matters. even though you are not explicitly receiving sensual arousal, it's in their avenue of expertise.

That said, don't feel that I am suggesting that you 'need' that. Simply, if you're actively interested in exploring "Why does this evoke that response" in me, a professional is likely going to be your best bet to get into it. It's not something we're going to be able to armchair quarterback half as well as some of us think.


So, now, to your question: Yes, I am a Christian. A relatively unorthodox one, but where it relates to the basic questions of "Sin" and "Salvation" I will fall into the normal orthodox, protestant understandings.
How do I justify it? I don't. It's a sin.
Why do you do it? Because I want to. That's how it is with most sin. It is a thing that I desire to do, that I take selfish satisfaction from, that I have unsuccessfully attempted to curtail for the last 20 years of my life. I have taken breaks from Eka's Portal and F-List in the past, and I rarely tell anyone when I do them because I am trying to curtail the behavior. They sometimes last months at a time, but I ultimately come back to it.

Like a person who drinks to excess, who gambles money that they should not, who hates others and allows it to spill into their thoughts, words or conduct, someone who envies others and lets it color their opinions of them, someone who cheats on their taxes, or a person who gossips and never seems to be able to shut their yap and speak well of their neighbor, it is something wrong that I do. It is a thing that I struggle with, and like most human beings I have particular emotional, psychological and spiritual 'weaknesses' which cause me to do things that are imperfect towards my relationships with other people. When I do these things, I frequently confess, apologize to God and attempt to amend my ways. Some of these attempts to change my behavior have been much more successful than others. I used to be an inherently much more violent and hateful person than I am. While I still have the weakness, I am considerably more stable than I was in my youth. I used to be a lot more envious of people who were doing better off and an almost interminable gossip, and these are things I've had greater success in controlling as behavior.

My libido? Nope. That one's still there and rears its ugly head from time to time. I might even be argued to be somewhat fantasy paraphilia addicted. I'm sure a counselor could go a few rounds with me on the subject. I am a lustful person and my lusts and desires make regular appearances in my life, though they do so almost 100% of the time through fantasy and RP, not physical sex, and a way in which you and I differ is that Vore is inherently tied to sexual activity for me.

But that is me. You are asking for you.
It isn't sex, so it isn't sinful... DrCaius brings up a valid point, but VoraciousMoga also addresses another side of the coin here: Re - Caius, you would do well not to look for excuses to present what is an inherently selfish desire as anything other than what it is. Stop by Matthew 5 again one of these days. Don't look at the individual teachings Christ gives as specific and limited prescriptions here, but rather broader understandings of social practice. "You've heard it say do not murder, but I tell you that if you hate your brother..." Focus less on the specific statement and the intrinsic foundation beneath it. If the laws and regulations relate towards selfless love for and care of others, without putting oneself and one's personal urges and desires selfishly first, it is likely some form of a lustful desire. It may be an asexual lustful desire, but those exist. Asexuals have urges and desires, have arousals, but they can take very different forms than most traditional libidos. Lust is about Desire, and allowing one's selfish desire for personal bodily or emotional gratification to overtake one's relations with others.

By this broader metric, yeah it's probably a sin. However, everyone sins and with rare exception most Christian denominations firmly believe that they will never achieve perfection this side of death. Their failures are paid for by Jesus, and they endeavor to be better people, but that also doesn't mean that they get there today, or tomorrow. The practice isn't necessarily something that should be promoted per se, but it also isn't any more unforgivable than the other things I said earlier.

Now, here's where I'm going to pull what VoraciousMoga says out, because it is important although Moga themselves isn't coming at the issue from quite the same perspective I think:
There is a difference between pleasing God and existing stably in Society - Yes, it's almost certainly a sin, but also everyone does sin and is in a constant state of attempting to fix their behavior (or falling deeper into it). But this has little to do with society at large.

Society, its rules, laws and practices is concerned with the stability and perceptions of that society, not the thoughts that lurk in one's mind. To God, "To hate is to kill in your heart." To Society, "To kill is to kill." From a societal or cultural level, RPing this sort of thing out, drawing and viewing art of it and fantasizing/writing fiction about it is infinitely preferable to actually acting physically upon your desires. By RPing, keeping it to fiction, you're not causing actual or significant harm to another human being, and thus you are sustaining within your culture safely, sanely and stably. Which means that if your urges aren't going to go away because they're firmly entrenched regardless of whether or not it is here, it's probably better that you have a socially 'acceptable' option such as drawn art, fiction, RP or the like, so that there is a valve to address urges that, if acted upon physically might prove problematic at best. So, presence in a community like this from a socio-cultural level is almost certainly preferable to most alternatives. (This is, in point of fact, one reason I come back here when my urges resume. Better to write something out here. Get it out of the system, go on about my day's activities.). Sin is sin, because in the divine's eyes, there is Good and Evil, and no gray line between. But so far as culture is concerned, there are grades and differences. So, while we search for perfection and yearn for the time it comes, there are still choices that we make for the sake of our neighbor, culturally preferable actions.

And if that's the case for you, as it is for most of us? Yeah, you do you. Nobody was actually hurt in the filming of this Vorno.
(god, you people corrupted me. I actually use that awful word these days)

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Just kidding. I'm Catholic and prey so get what you mean. Yeah vore is a fetish and is therefore a sin for Christians. But I wouldn't hang on it. Being a Christian isn't a checkbox exercise where one wrong answer is going to make you a bad person or send you to hell. Jesus himself sinned a lot. The point and his message was to devote yourself to loving others and spreading tolerance, forgiveness and respect wherever you can. Live that life and I'm sure that God won't care what kinks you have provided they don't cause real harm. And keep in mind who wrote most religious doctrines, when those took place, and what those people's exposure to sexuality would have been. It's all about the context. God will care how you treated other people.

I'm pretty darned sure they never taught you any of THAT in RCIA. I may not pay lip service to the Vatican myself, but just saying that's really far off the beaten path of Catholic practice.

I would politely suggest not falling into the trap of thinking that it's not sexual. There are lots of users here who say that they just find some voreish things 'comforting' or 'interesting' or something similar and that it's not sexual. All of those things are sexual when you look at the feelings and responses they get from their vore experience. Some people don't appreciate how broad sexual responses can be. So narrowly defining what makes something sexual isn't the answer.

Now on this, you and I would find ourselves more in agreement. While it may not be 'explicitly' sexual as in performative of a masturbatory act and intentionally a sexual act for this person, you're hitting on a more accurate understanding of the topic of lust or desire as it relates to 'thinking it is the same as doing it' that you run into in passages like Matthew 5. In scripture, there is the issue that selfish desires lead towards selfish practices, which is where you get the idea of Lust being perilous like Envy is perilous.

When a person tries to use the phrase "Well it's technically not sex" re: paraphilia as a self justification, it's sometimes indicative of an effort to 'get away with it,' which implies that the person still feels the guilt but doesn't want to, and so finds ways to excuse themselves without addressing why the feel guilty. It's kind of how we end up in conversations like these about once every three months or so. And as you've hinted there's usually a spiritual and even sometimes emotional danger in trying to self-justify this way. I'd recommend against it as well.

I'm not perfect, no one is or can be. My own big problem is that vore for me isn't just a fantasy. I want to be eaten/consumed IRL and will absolutely sacrifice myself if the opportunity ever arises. I'm hopeful that a mad scientist will make it possible one day. My wife knows that wish and would (of course) be unhappy about it. So my ongoing and final desire hurts the person I love the most. Not ideal. Not very Christian. But hating myself about that one aspect of myself would only make me worse at spreading love to others.

Alright, so I know we've already had the crack about 'get therapy,' which really was uncalled for on the part of the guy who did it but it's the internet. People make dumb cracks all the time. Caius, I'd actually recommend looking into this a little. You are aware that the act is inherently deeply selfish, would cause considerable shock, horror and pain to others and would be inherently and intrinsically self destructive in its indulgence. And yet you hope that said fantasy becomes an available reality, so that you can take the plunge as it were.

I'd recommend looking into maybe a little bit of therapy there, unless you already are doing so in which case good. Something with a professional on helping you to find ways to keep self-destructive paraphiliac fantasies in the safe realm of fantasy where they harm none. There's very little I or anyone here can do 'for' you in this regard, but considering our shared paraphilias, it is something I'd recommend if the ideation becomes pronounced. We RP and draw it here. We don't actually do it.

Aren't all christians voraphiles?

The whole eating the body of christ thing and communion.

Hardy Har Har. There's a comedian in every group. It isn't fetishized.
I didn't "Vore" my tacos this morning. I ate them.

but I'll give you an E for Effort. You tried.

[PhantomWolf]

Born and raised in a Christian Home

[Doku]

There's been discussion of religious and other demographic groups on the site before. If you search you can probably find it?
IIRC, there are quite a lot of religious people here, based on a poll someone posted around the time I joined.

Ballpark... bout every 3 to 6 months some variation of the topic comes up I wanna say, Ender. Yeah, there's actually likely a lot of people who are here. Some are unwilling to ever discuss it because of negative reactions and some are simply at what they consider a spiritually stable point in their own walks, and don't feel the need to involve themselves in other people's walks.

I am a chatty bastard, and sometimes I notice the topics when they show up

[RiskyBoomer]

I too am Christian

[AlphaSaban]

[DrCaius]

Just kidding. I'm Catholic and prey so get what you mean. Yeah vore is a fetish and is therefore a sin for Christians. But I wouldn't hang on it. Being a Christian isn't a checkbox exercise where one wrong answer is going to make you a bad person or send you to hell. Jesus himself sinned a lot. The point and his message was to devote yourself to loving others and spreading tolerance, forgiveness and respect wherever you can. Live that life and I'm sure that God won't care what kinks you have provided they don't cause real harm. And keep in mind who wrote most religious doctrines, when those took place, and what those people's exposure to sexuality would have been. It's all about the context. God will care how you treated other people.

I'm pretty darned sure they never taught you any of THAT in RCIA. I may not pay lip service to the Vatican myself, but just saying that's really far off the beaten path of Catholic practice.

You'd be surprised how progressive we are in the UK church. I was in Roman Catholic school from aged 4-16. Then studied Theology at college before going on to study at a Catholic University in Europe. Spent 15 years as an altar boy in that time as well for three excellent priests. Good times, and learned what I could from others between the ridged confines of the Catechism.

Yeah the over-riding, repeated message throughout all of my learning was indeed to focus on Christ's core teachings... and not to take the Bible too literally. In adulthood most people I encounter who have a view on Catholicism are picturing how it was 100+ years ago (and I'm fairly old). Compared to the Evangelicals I know we RCs are positively liberal

Alright, so I know we've already had the crack about 'get therapy,' which really was uncalled for on the part of the guy who did it but it's the internet. People make dumb cracks all the time. Caius, I'd actually recommend looking into this a little. You are aware that the act is inherently deeply selfish, would cause considerable shock, horror and pain to others and would be inherently and intrinsically self destructive in its indulgence. And yet you hope that said fantasy becomes an available reality, so that you can take the plunge as it were.

I'd recommend looking into maybe a little bit of therapy there, unless you already are doing so in which case good. Something with a professional on helping you to find ways to keep self-destructive paraphiliac fantasies in the safe realm of fantasy where they harm none. There's very little I or anyone here can do 'for' you in this regard, but considering our shared paraphilias, it is something I'd recommend if the ideation becomes pronounced. We RP and draw it here. We don't actually do it.

I genuinely appreciate the concern. I'm fine though thanks. I'm married to a psychologist and am surrounded by therapists some of whom know about my love of vore. I've been through it all and know what I am and how I need to improve myself.

To me wanting vore IRL is the natural and only real end to a vore fetish and I can't imagine not wanting that as my goal. To me containing it as a mere fantasy is the weird stance (and I appreciate I'm outside the norm here!). It's been that way since I was a toddler and isn't going to change. I certainly never recommend that anybody else should desire vore IRL.

[NightRoller]

Yep, I too am a Christian Vorarephile.

For me, ideally, I would only have it be something that I practice in the regard that I write stories, rather than visiting sites like here and Pixiv and DA and viewing any of the media created. I'm trying to get to the point where I can overcome an addiction to masturbation, and old habits of coming here (and other places) before learning what [orgasm] is have proven difficult to overcome.

I like to think that, at this point, vore is an extra flavor to my sexuality, one that isn't necessary for interaction in real life sexual things but is a nice topping to have. Now if only I could convince my subconscious to be on board with that.

I was honestly pleasantly surprised by the maturity and deep fellow introspection in this thread so far. A few of the arguments are unexpectedly in-depth and insightful. This is an interesting discourse.

[BadlyDrawnDedede]

To answer you're question, ChewDoo, I really do think it depends on how you look at your religion. I'm not going to rehash what people have said beforehand, but I will say how I see it. I classify myself as Christian (not sure what division, though), but I've never been super crazy about basing everything I do off religion. Likewise, actually taking straight from the Bible itself, at least in my opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt (I mean, do you really think that, no matter how giving and loving a person was in their lifetime, God is going to send them down below just because they were homosexual? Again, my opinion, and I'm getting off topic). At the end of the day, I believe that, as long as you are a good person who helps others and are always trying your best, that's what matters. And just in case that you do think it's a sin, the great thing about Christianity is that one of the biggest morals promoted is forgiveness. Everyone makes mistakes, nobody is perfect, and I think that God realizes that. For many of us, being a vorarephile is something that just sorta happened like that, and we never had a say as to whether or not we wanted it.

Like I said at the beginning, it's up to you to decide what your specific view of your religion is. But I do hope that my post gave a bit of insight on what one way of looking at it is. Until then, take care!

~BadlyDrawnDedede

P.S. - Now that I think of it, wouldn't the Bible be the source of the original vore story, with Jonah and that giant fish? Just a breadcrumb, though, so I probably shouldn't look into it too much.

[mojaveraider]

I am and see nothing wrong with it.