Community Alienation

[Nornim]

You see, ya'll saying to blacklist but here is the thing; what I like and dislike changes based on if its art or writing. I'm more tolerant of cooking and herms in writing, so I don't blacklist them. This isn't like hard vore or gore we're talking here, I got those blacklisted.

[R_U_Snacksize]

Really this type of stuff wouldn't bother me anywhere near as much if people could be bothered to properly tag their work. You could see an upload with 30 different tags involving every single adjective that could apply to the pic and then... no mention of the pred's gender, age, inclusion of digestion, disposal, etc. Gotten to the point where I barely check the recent uploads and just stick to artists I already follow.

^^^ or unrelated tags that have nothing to do with the work posted

[HowManyMoreTimes]

Wow, thank you to everyone who replied! I honestly had no idea this post would gather so much positive support. It's good to know there are so many understanding people on this website.

Black listing is awesome for when I'm searching art, and I wish there was a blacklist option for forum posts as well. When I'm searching for media I can use the blacklist to filter topics that make me uncomfortable, but that option isn't available (that I know of!) on the General Forum.

Again, it's really comforting to know I'm not alone in this. Thank you.

[Riraito]

Honestly though, this is one of the sites that lets you post almost any type of material. I know that I can't post my works on Deviantart, or hentaifactory, but for the most part I can have a permanent gallery here, and what I cant post here, I can post on Pixiv (Although minor censoring is required there - which I dislike).

I'm really not sure what the OP would hope to achieve.

I for one am quite pleased that I have a forum to work within, rather than be denied one , as is usually the case.

[PlasmaTech225]

Now that you mention this, I really have noticed a lot of focus on kinks other than vore. To me, vore pics are the ones with prey actively being swallowed, or shots with prey inside of stomachs and other "dead ends" after consumption. Preds with spherical bellies, fat, or just shots of the inside of mouths really don't have enough vore in them to classify as "vore" in my eyes, but instead they belong to other kink content types. Sometimes I feel like, since I'm so much into the actual act of swallowing, a lot of the implied and unrelated content just serves to lessen my interest in this site in general.

[Seelane]

Hi everyone! These are some thoughts I've had for a while and wanted to share. Before I get started, please understand that this is NOT meant to kink shame anyone, it's just a discussion about the content in this community and how it affects everyone differently. It's also something that's bothering me that I would like to get off my chest, and I am genuinely curious if anyone else feels the same way.

1A. Vore is generally defined as a kink for being eaten alive/swallowed whole, but to me the majority of "vore" content on this website is a mask for different kinks. It's giant/giantess, big belly/stuffing kink, and furry content that has a sprinkling of vore. I understand this, and I've certainly been involved in it: giant/giantess content is my favorite. It just feels like the content of "pred swallows prey" is being shaded out by other fetishes. I may be off, but that's how I've felt lately and I'm curious if other people feel the same way.

2A. It's also distressing to me the amount of more "extreme" content I've seen on here lately. Lots of gore, underage/child porn indulgence, urine and fecal matter, and tons of fatality/death/snuff. It's not my place to judge, but this kind of content doesn't just "turn me off," it makes me feel ill. It's not a matter of preference, such as "I'm not a fan of frogs as predators, I'm a lizard-loving girl damnit." It's "this content is starting to cross lines I never wanted crossed and I'm deeply uncomfortable." I understand this is an abnormal fetish, but seeing extreme content constantly circulating in the community has pushed me to the point where I don't want to be a part of it anymore.

3A. It's making conventional adult porn sites look brighter and brighter; at least when I visit conventional porn websites I'm not met with anything that sexualizes people and kids dying horribly. I've had a lot of death in my life, and I'm sensitive to it. Seeing it turned into a kink - especially a kink that once made me feel safe and happy - doesn't make me feel good. For me, it's a hard rule that death doesn't not mix with sex.

4A. I'm not saying anyone should stop posting their interests, I'm just saying with snuff, gore, underage, and scat so heavily indulged here I personally don't feel a part of this community anymore. I need to go, and that's fine. Websites, media, interests, and people change all the time, and I'm not telling anyone to stop posting their content just to make me feel better. I just wanted to share my thoughts before I left and see if anyone felt similarly.

Sorry for responding again while I have already said something before, but I wanted tot ry to approach it in more details covering everything being talked about:

1B: I don't think it have reached that point, while its true that there are some kinks not associated with vore that has appeared in a bigger quantity recently. Its still mainly vore focus as far as I can see. For every non-vore related or just briefly implied vore, there is at least more than 30 arts and stories where vore is the focus. Some of these also comes sometimes from artists who previously worked on other sites that were tired of the censorship there. Though there is the fact that vore is a very broad fetish seeing as it only covert the fact someone swallowing the others and can be done in so many different ways compared to other fetishes(kinda like giantess or furry). As to why the furries and giantess communities being strong here... Vore was mostly known as a sub-genre of these two way back when you could only find it in place related to one of these fetishes.

2B: Blacklisting them is the best way to deal with this. As for in the forums, most of the time they have warning for Scat and the likes, exception being digestion and unwilling of course sadly as they are seen as norm here. Also, when you approach fetishes on the internet, its impossible to be into all of them and being repulsed by some is understandable. Example, most people outside of here finds vore to be in the most obscene fetish there is. Best recommendation for forum browsing is check what the name implies and most of the time if it is safe they would advertise it in the title, so if you dont see it there, then for example: a story without it might probably have digestion. Best way to fight that problem would be adding tags in forum that you could watch or blacklist it.

3B: Mostly have the same rule as you here(though I can be fine if digestion isnt fatal and doesnt hurt at all, also minus the fact im not into sex too), but taking it all away just for the minority of people there would be impossible, you could try to petition into like previously said, adding tags to forum.

4B. Biggest problem is that its not a problem only seen in Eka's but on the NSFW internet content's as a whole. No matter which fetish site you'll go that doesn't specificly censor a lot of its contents, you will find all of the same problem you found here. There are community that are SFW without any of it, but they also forbid things that are also in your list of interest such as any sexual related things, no matter how tame it is.

Its impossible to love everything that others do, and being repulsed by some is normal. I mean even in conventional porn site like you mention featured almost everything you mentioned you hated here: you have underage related stuff(Teen is the biggest tag on pornhub), watersports(pretty big too on pornhub), scat(can be found) and even death related things... But vore definitely have more of the death related stuff seing fatal vore is pretty big.

There might be some solutions for the first problem as it is against one of the site rule for things not related to vore here. So you could try talking about it with Eka. Same thing for a forum tag system, but apart from that, its more of an internet problem thing as you can never love everything that someone else does and thats especially true on anything related to fetishes apply that rule even more. Example of another fetish: giant/giantess stuff is basically in the same position as vore as its mainly between cruel(lots of time fatal) and gentle types, almost all of the stuff you mentioned in 4A is also a part of that community too.

Sorry for this really long response.^^

[Indighost]

Yet another kink shame thread. There should be a rule against this

[merlovinit]

To offer a counter point, I honestly can't identify with the feeling of being emotionally or physically disturbed by kink artwork. I can't think of one time in my life that I felt ill or was disturbed for any significant length of time by fetish artwork that I saw on this or any other website. Sometimes I see things that gross me out, but even that is pretty rare. Otherwise sometimes there might be minor shock value of certain images, but rather than being afraid of it I find that looking at it for a moment usually causes that to wear off pretty quick. I think pretty easy to identify an artist by their drawing style and avoid clicking on their thumbnails if they have a tendency to produce content that I don't want to see.

Definitely agree. It's pretty crazy just how much this site has turned around, and quite disturbing considering that it is also very often a depiction of either the artist's, writer's, or commissioner's current view of the world.

I don't get the impression that it's common for artists here to express their view of the world through vore artwork. I'm actually wondering how someone reaches this conclusion. If anything most vore artwork seems very light-hearted and detached, even when its non-con and violent. I think for many people (but not everyone) humor and irony is a core part of the appeal of vore. Also I don't think the cheapening of life and death or the casual disregard for the prey is some sign of sociopathy from the part of the artist and audience. It's more like an alternate reality where these issues fundamentally don't apply, which is why fatal non-con vore is oddly comforting for a lot of people. It's like an emotional fantasy where the long term consequences of one's actions and circumstances don't exist. Psychologically speaking, vore is only appealing because of its unreality. If it was taken more seriously, then yeah, 99.9% of voreaphiles wouldn't enjoy it.

In my opinion it's not the vore or the larger fetish community that has been changing over the years. Artwork from 10-20 years ago wasn't fundamentally different. What has changed is this new false ideology that attempts to establish the belief that fantasies are dangerous and shun-worthy. It's very puritanical and the biggest proponents of it work hard to try and convince decent people that they have to agree because anything else is incurring too big of a risk. It's all just one big slippery slope argument with zero basis in reality.

I would say that people who are being disturbed by artwork have one of two issues that they might need to sort out. First, they may have bought into this ideology a little bit too much. In which case I would just say that people who believe violent or underage media encourages the same thing in reality are speculating, and that the evidence that does exist doesn't support that idea. Otherwise someone might just be disturbed and not understand the reason why. Honestly if someone is getting ill from seeing certain kinds of artwork, it makes me think that this person hasn't fully come to terms with their own sexuality.

[Coalyard]

Im with you on the underage stuff, can't stand it and in some places it's down right illegal (yes drawn stuff). For non illegal stuff as others have said, adequate tagging and blocking will make your life easier

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[CuddleSlut]

Sorry you felt that way?

Don't entirely understand why you couldn't just blacklist tags you didn't want to see. Oh well.

[Eka]

I really think that three changes need to happen for everyone's safety:

1. The black-list needs to be more extensive. The blacklist filter should completely cover the thumbnail and actual images so that there's no way to stumble on disturbing content. The blacklist should cover a user's favorites, galley folder thumbnails, the "most recent work" that is displayed on their page, etc.

2. There needs to be a team of monitors. There's too much site content to leave to just two people to regularly monitor and check up on. I know this isn't a for profit site, but I think having a team of volunteers within the community who can *safely* split monitoring content and making sure that any material that breaks site rules is taken down immediately is key. They can make sure that things are *truly* appropriately tagged so that content doesn't slip through the cracks and can be effectively black-listed.

3. Anything that *really* pushes the envelope and teters on legally obscene material needs to be outright swiftly taken down and banned. The user should be banned as well. I know this is written in the site rules. Still, unfortunately as with any site, there is the possibility of some edge-lord trying to slip material in that breaks site and or legal rules. Although this can hypothetically happen on any website, I do think fetish sites need to take extra precautions and have a more extensive monitoring team to combat this.

I don't want to get into extensive detail, but as someone who *has* experienced certain types of abuse in the past, it is really important for my psychological well being to be able to black-list and avoid content reminiscent of that. I think implementing these three changes and precautions would be to everyone's benefit.

First, in order not to "stumble" on disturbing content, you should stays on sites that don't have any content you deem "disturbing". It is basically impossible as every material on this site are already considered disturbing to a large majority of the population.

Second, this site do not have any team. At all. Everything are voluntarily. We do not have a budget beyond barebone operation. If you want "active team of monitors" for you you will need to figure out how something like that can be funded.

Third, everything on this site is plainly legal. Nothing "Borderline" whatsoever. Anything that you think are "teters on legally obscene material" is a result of your misunderstanding on what "legally obscene" means. (Which, in its core, is involve the harming of real people.) Not a problem of the site policy.

Last, but most importantly. This site is free. We have no paid staffs. In the future, please be respectful and do not make demand again. Based on what I see so far, this site probably doesn't suit your need and you should try some other site instead.

[Gendor]

Hi everyone! These are some thoughts I've had for a while and wanted to share. Before I get started, please understand that this is NOT meant to kink shame anyone, it's just a discussion about the content in this community and how it affects everyone differently. It's also something that's bothering me that I would like to get off my chest, and I am genuinely curious if anyone else feels the same way.

Vore is generally defined as a kink for being eaten alive/swallowed whole, but to me the majority of "vore" content on this website is a mask for different kinks. It's giant/giantess, big belly/stuffing kink, and furry content that has a sprinkling of vore. I understand this, and I've certainly been involved in it: giant/giantess content is my favorite. It just feels like the content of "pred swallows prey" is being shaded out by other fetishes. I may be off, but that's how I've felt lately and I'm curious if other people feel the same way.

It's also distressing to me the amount of more "extreme" content I've seen on here lately. Lots of gore, underage/child porn indulgence, urine and fecal matter, and tons of fatality/death/snuff. It's not my place to judge, but this kind of content doesn't just "turn me off," it makes me feel ill. It's not a matter of preference, such as "I'm not a fan of frogs as predators, I'm a lizard-loving girl damnit." It's "this content is starting to cross lines I never wanted crossed and I'm deeply uncomfortable." I understand this is an abnormal fetish, but seeing extreme content constantly circulating in the community has pushed me to the point where I don't want to be a part of it anymore.

It's making conventional adult porn sites look brighter and brighter; at least when I visit conventional porn websites I'm not met with anything that sexualizes people and kids dying horribly. I've had a lot of death in my life, and I'm sensitive to it. Seeing it turned into a kink - especially a kink that once made me feel safe and happy - doesn't make me feel good. For me, it's a hard rule that death doesn't not mix with sex.

I'm not saying anyone should stop posting their interests, I'm just saying with snuff, gore, underage, and scat so heavily indulged here I personally don't feel a part of this community anymore. I need to go, and that's fine. Websites, media, interests, and people change all the time, and I'm not telling anyone to stop posting their content just to make me feel better. I just wanted to share my thoughts before I left and see if anyone felt similarly.

I feel some of your points alot, but TL;DR - The feelings of the few can't count more than the will of the collective, in the end alot more is gained by everyone being slightly dissatisfied than almost everyone hating it. But I do bring up a solution after the next quote: Build your own website.

I share the feelings of a far greater problem with the idea that some people join up absolutely FILL the "latest updates" with non vore matierals. I recall some rule when I got my gallery that 2/3rds should be vore related, and it certainly has slipped, badly. That is the only thing I can think of as a problem, and could maybe be worthy of consideration of the mods.

I like some extreme content and hate some, but if getting rid of the kind i HATE means I will also lose the risky ones I enjoy, then I'd rather not. I use this site very loosely at all these days because I have grown really tired of some stuff that's been going on. I don't really consider myself as "part of the community" myself anymore because I don't have the time or energy to get into it.
That you feel the need to be part of this community to me speaks of some serious entitlement, or some sort of social problem, either way, not everyone is your friend, you can never expect everyone on a site that is as open as this to be your friend, what you should expect is instead the opportunity to meet people and shape a clique of your own. I feel that even if I had a small mental breakdown a few months back and was really messed up, but that was on me! Even if I wanted to do all and everything.

So, whatever happens, stay safe and stay good.

I really think that three changes need to happen for everyone's safety:

1. The black-list needs to be more extensive. The blacklist filter should completely cover the thumbnail and actual images so that there's no way to stumble on disturbing content. The blacklist should cover a user's favorites, galley folder thumbnails, the "most recent work" that is displayed on their page, etc.

2. There needs to be a team of monitors. There's too much site content to leave to just two people to regularly monitor and check up on. I know this isn't a for profit site, but I think having a team of volunteers within the community who can *safely* split monitoring content and making sure that any material that breaks site rules is taken down immediately is key. They can make sure that things are *truly* appropriately tagged so that content doesn't slip through the cracks and can be effectively black-listed.

3. Anything that *really* pushes the envelope and teters on legally obscene material needs to be outright swiftly taken down and banned. The user should be banned as well. I know this is written in the site rules. Still, unfortunately as with any site, there is the possibility of some edge-lord trying to slip material in that breaks site and or legal rules. Although this can hypothetically happen on any website, I do think fetish sites need to take extra precautions and have a more extensive monitoring team to combat this.

I don't want to get into extensive detail, but as someone who *has* experienced certain types of abuse in the past, it is really important for my psychological well being to be able to black-list and avoid content reminiscent of that. I think implementing these three changes and precautions would be to everyone's benefit.

Make. Your. Own. Site. I am really disgusted that you claim to speak for me with "Three changes NEED to happen for EVERYONE's safety"? No. Speak for yourself.
I am sure that you can even ask to copy some of this website and make it a softer side of vore website and I would even join you.
But I feel like you are asking for things that is just censoring for the sake of your personal feelings.
1. It practically already does, that it can cover stuff outside of the browsing section, sure but that's it.

2. Build. Your. Own. Nothing ruins a site like a group of busybodies who are slowly pushing the limits for what is acceptable and not. So build your own. It won't be pretty and it won't grow fast, but YOU will be in total control!

3. I disagree, purely on the point you make to sound more like the Safety council of every site these days that DEMAND things cater to the lowest common denominator. It reeks of censorship and an entitled way of thinking. It even gets worse when you write "as someone who *has* experienced certain types of abuse in the past", What does "certain types" mean? I have been hit in the eye with a beer can, is that a certain type of abuse that give me the right to ask for changes? Why do you hide behind some personal thing in the past to limit other peoples abilities to do things? If you are not adult enough to quickly close down a page, take a few deep breaths and move on, then I think it's on you to grow into something better, not the site to coddle you.
But again, Build your own website and it would really be a site for you. You could even have it so a Mod has to approve of art being uploaded, just stop thinking the world will cater to your needs as a "NEED TO HAPPEN FOR EVERYONE".


I really got nothing against you two, just want to leave a statement for whoever shares the feelings of stricter controls and censoring things, there is a middle ground that should be held in regard while other ways are too much and better off as the basis of a while new site. Personal. Responsibility is what matters, and if things go too far? Eka and Leshana has PM boxes, tell them about that specific thing/person/post, or even suggest changes. Making these forum posts feels alot like you want to drum up a BADISH call for action by making others join in, and making it sound like you speak for many when you use phrases like "X must happen for everyones sake".

[Ghrelin]

If other people making content you don't like bothers you greatly, and the blacklist feature isn't enough to improve your site experience, it may not be the right site for you. I do wish the blacklist feature extended to viewing work on someone's profile page or on the front page of the site, but seeing things there that bother me doesn't ruin my experience with the site as a whole; I just leave that page and don't view that work again. If I find something that gets through my blacklist because it wasn't tagged appropriately, I add the tag. Much as I would love a more strongly enforced and structured tagging system, the one we currently have has worked fairly well for my needs. For a free site with no active moderation team, it's got one of the better tagging systems I've seen. Other, larger sites don't even have a blacklist feature, so be sure to use that to your advantage.
As far as the community feel overall, maybe try using some of the Discord channels that cater to your preferences; you'll have an easier time finding other like-minded people and work without having to worry about seeing things that make you uncomfortable.

[hersnack]

I agree with the person who originated this thread to some extent. The way I see it the term "Vore" which I believe originally meant something being eaten alive has been getting gradually redefined. It now seems to include Cannibalism
Vampires farting and a lot of acts that i would think of as insertion. While I personally don't like this trend, I can't really say it is wrong if that is what the artist choose to do . This is fantasy and who is to say my fantasy is better then someone else ?