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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby CandySquirrel » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:49 pm

Literally shrinking ? Impossible, it breaks too many fundamental laws to even start considering.
VR technology though ? It's already there. Or you could remotely pilot a tiny robot via VR-controls. Which is still preferable to actual shrinking since ... you know ... you won't really die.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby EfficientDoom18 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:15 am

It just isn't within the realm of physical possiblity as far as I know. No technology will be capable of completely shrinking or growing something in a literal and physical way. The closest thing would be having your sentience be transported into a bigger or smaller vessel, therefore effectively shrinking you, but if that requires shrinking the brain, then it remains impossible. The amount of data it'd take to fully transfer someone's brain into a robot would be ridiculous, so putting it into a tiny little body would be impossible without the vessel not actually holding your mind, and instead just being connected to your mind through waves on the electromagnetic spectrum. Theoretically, this vessel would just be a very complex miniature robot that is designed to look, act, and feel like a human body, and which you would control by a direct link between your brain (or a duplicate of your brain in the form of data stored on a compound quantum/regular computer). If all of that were achieved, then you could maybe get it to work out to an extent, but that's still not really shrinking, and it would not be available to the public, only to the richest people out there. You wouldn't be able to afford something like that in a lifetime or more.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Avenger233 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:40 am

CandySquirrel wrote:Literally shrinking ? Impossible, it breaks too many fundamental laws to even start considering.
VR technology though ? It's already there. Or you could remotely pilot a tiny robot via VR-controls. Which is still preferable to actual shrinking since ... you know ... you won't really die.

But you may therefore not see the interesting reactions of the predators, which I think is one of the most important parts of vore.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Lach » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:21 am

While the tech may one day exist to actually shrink, I’m guessing DNA could be altered to remove the sequence of genes that determine a persons size. This might suggest instead of a person being micro sized, they would instead be 1 or 2 feet tall. Ho does that sit? Would small people still be enslaved or used as food?
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Angie_Furclad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:40 am

Startrek has at least one episode that addresses strinkage. In DS-9 "One Little Ship" they actually talk about the complications of being 'smaller'. One of the primary aspects is relating to the size of O2 compared to the body and being unable to use normal sized air. As for other issues the brain would likely be incapable of any higher function depending on the level of shrinkage. If it was a 25% shrink (2 meter tall person becomes 1.5 meter tall) there would be less complications but even at that scale there are things to take into account such as the pores within each cell used to exchange food and waste. The size of each atom in a normal environment would be unchanged so molecules would be too large to pass through the cell membrane in some cases.

That said, simulated shrinkage is very likely as tech improves. The porn industry is usually on the cutting edge of technology and trying new things to make money but there are other industries that this would be an improvement, like computer building or any industry that has lots of small spaces where problems could happen. It may not always be human shaped but micro drones with vr support would let some one move about, or 'rovers' with wheels on all sides crawling through pipes. There are already pill sized cameras that can be used for endoscopy
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Hagen » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:25 pm

CandySquirrel wrote:Literally shrinking ? Impossible, it breaks too many fundamental laws to even start considering.
VR technology though ? It's already there. Or you could remotely pilot a tiny robot via VR-controls. Which is still preferable to actual shrinking since ... you know ... you won't really die.

As a people we've over come alot of "impossible " barriers through out human history.
But it tends not to happen by accident, and sure it doesn't happen cheaply.
How would you ever convince people with the money or the know how to even begin to head down that road.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Rat_Guy » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:58 am

It's not just impossible, it's super duper impossible. It's so ridiculously absolutely impossible that you have a better chance of somebody randomly mutating the power to eat regular sized people than you have of shrinking technology ever becoming a real thing, and we all know that is quite impossible, and yet it's still not as perfectly tremendously mind-bogglingly impossible as shrinking. It's not a matter of resources, it's not a matter of time and effort, it is 110% not a possibility EVER.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby The_Prof » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:36 am

with the current level of scientific knowledge it's impossible. That doesn't mean that at some point there can be some insane scientific discovery that completely overturns everything we know and would allow it to happen. But the odds of that happening are extremely low
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Skeiron » Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:06 pm

GastricAztec wrote:I came up with a theory called neutrino dissimilation:

Dimensional singularities are opened inside the centers of each quark and gluon particle composing the protons and neutrons of the atoms being miniaturized, causing the quarks and gluons to collapse around the now-empty space because of the vacuum that forms. The excess matter is discharged through these dimensional vortices and forced into another dimension. This causes a decrease in size, weight, volume and mass.

The electrons remain normal sized. A dimensional membrane alters the strength of their charge so it corresponds with the decreased charge of the miniaturized protons, while simultaneously maintaining the proportional distance of the atoms from one another. A reactive dimensional membrane speeds up the vibrations of the miniaturized atoms so the shrunken person has increased thermal resistance, giving them the same proportional body temperature as at normal size.


The vacuum that forms in the empty space of... the centers of quarks and gluons? Elementary particles are point particles. That means that they already have zero volume. How do you propose to create a singularity in the center of something that has no volume ^^; But whatever, let's say you have made the quarks and gluons smaller somehow (nevermind the fact that the vast, vast majority of the 'volume' taken up by atoms is independent of the volume of their core). Why would protons suddenly have reduced charge? The charge for electrons and protons is given by the charge constant, which is called that because it is constant. If you mean that the trick before actually removed charge from the proton in addition to 'size', then that doesn't work. Any configuration of quarks that leads to non-integer charge is forbidden by color confinement.

But I'll play along, let's say you have reduced the charge of the electron and the proton such that the distances between them remain 'proportional'. The kinetic energy of the electron is itself proportional to the charge and distance to the core, but this is not a linear relation. That is to say, the kinetic energy of the electron does not change linearly with the distance to the core and the charge, which means either the kinetic energy is not affected linearly, or the distance to the core is not affected linearly. Either way, there is no chance that chemical reaction behaves anywhere close to how it would behave in the 'real world'. This is even before accounting for things like "how do you intend to breathe regular sized oxygen molecules" ^^; bonus points that this also violates Noether's theorem since it breaks conservation of total angular momentum.

Moving on. The vibrations of the atoms are increased by the 'dimensional membrane'... I assume you meant molecules as atoms themselves do not have vibrational modes :) this has only a tiny impact on the heat capacity at any 'human' temperature scales, as at these temperature the vast majority of the heat capacity is due to the translational energy of the particles. Vibrational contribution to heat capacity are only relevant at much higher temperatures. In any case, changing the mass of the particles without changing the heat capacities simply by altering the vibrational energies breaks the equipartition principle.

So we have violations of quantum mechanics, quantum chromodynamics, particle indistinguishibility, Noether's theorem through breaking both conservation of angular momentum and electric charge, thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. And I still don't know what role the neutrinos are supposed to play here ^^;
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby VoidInVoid » Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:17 am

Our current technology is too primitive and our knowledge base too limited to unlock a shrinking device. Still, such a concept may become a reality relatively soon. In the face of infinity, yet, how many digits does a numeral to which "relatively soon" truly applies have? Do not make the human mistake of assuming a century or a millennium is a long time when you are pondering the pace of scientific advancement.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby Aickavon12 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:45 am

I'm sure people already mentioned this, but our entire body is balanced based on our size. Attempting to condense it would literally kill us. I'm not going to go into the Nitty Gritty of it but basically there are two formats of shrinking.

Either we reduce the mass, atoms, and cells in our body but keep the ratio the same (This would kill us because that's just simply not how our body works)

Or we somehow shrink every single molecule in our body as well (This is literally impossible because you cannot reduce an atom's size without changing it's literal properties.)

This includes the opposite before anyone asks. Increasing mass would require a lot of energy, material, and be extremely painful and unpleasant as first off, our bones wouldn't be able to handle the weight (no matter how big) and collapse, and our heart would be overburdened by attempting to force literal rivers of blood through the systems. More realistic and doable than shrinking technology, honestly, but still impossible to do.




Honestly, the only bet, is Nanotechnology and by nanotechnology I mean literally being a hivemind of nanobots in the guise of a human body and taking the form of smaller or bigger humans. But then, that isn't really you is it? That would just be a program that downloaded a copy of you. YOu're still you, that be a new person with your memories. This kind've problem was actually expertly shown in a video game known as SOMA. The 'coinflip' problem.
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby GastricAztec » Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:17 pm

Skeiron wrote:
GastricAztec wrote:I came up with a theory called neutrino dissimilation:

Dimensional singularities are opened inside the centers of each quark and gluon particle composing the protons and neutrons of the atoms being miniaturized, causing the quarks and gluons to collapse around the now-empty space because of the vacuum that forms. The excess matter is discharged through these dimensional vortices and forced into another dimension. This causes a decrease in size, weight, volume and mass.

The electrons remain normal sized. A dimensional membrane alters the strength of their charge so it corresponds with the decreased charge of the miniaturized protons, while simultaneously maintaining the proportional distance of the atoms from one another. A reactive dimensional membrane speeds up the vibrations of the miniaturized atoms so the shrunken person has increased thermal resistance, giving them the same proportional body temperature as at normal size.


The vacuum that forms in the empty space of... the centers of quarks and gluons? Elementary particles are point particles. That means that they already have zero volume. How do you propose to create a singularity in the center of something that has no volume ^^; But whatever, let's say you have made the quarks and gluons smaller somehow (nevermind the fact that the vast, vast majority of the 'volume' taken up by atoms is independent of the volume of their core). Why would protons suddenly have reduced charge? The charge for electrons and protons is given by the charge constant, which is called that because it is constant. If you mean that the trick before actually removed charge from the proton in addition to 'size', then that doesn't work. Any configuration of quarks that leads to non-integer charge is forbidden by color confinement.

But I'll play along, let's say you have reduced the charge of the electron and the proton such that the distances between them remain 'proportional'. The kinetic energy of the electron is itself proportional to the charge and distance to the core, but this is not a linear relation. That is to say, the kinetic energy of the electron does not change linearly with the distance to the core and the charge, which means either the kinetic energy is not affected linearly, or the distance to the core is not affected linearly. Either way, there is no chance that chemical reaction behaves anywhere close to how it would behave in the 'real world'. This is even before accounting for things like "how do you intend to breathe regular sized oxygen molecules" ^^; bonus points that this also violates Noether's theorem since it breaks conservation of total angular momentum.

Moving on. The vibrations of the atoms are increased by the 'dimensional membrane'... I assume you meant molecules as atoms themselves do not have vibrational modes :) this has only a tiny impact on the heat capacity at any 'human' temperature scales, as at these temperature the vast majority of the heat capacity is due to the translational energy of the particles. Vibrational contribution to heat capacity are only relevant at much higher temperatures. In any case, changing the mass of the particles without changing the heat capacities simply by altering the vibrational energies breaks the equipartition principle.

So we have violations of quantum mechanics, quantum chromodynamics, particle indistinguishibility, Noether's theorem through breaking both conservation of angular momentum and electric charge, thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. And I still don't know what role the neutrinos are supposed to play here ^^;


Thank you for pointing out the inherent flaws in my theory, maybe in a hundred years someone can come up with their own theories to get past the errors in my theory, sort of like picking up the baton in a relay race. I started with something, and someone else will have to pick up where I left off.

I’ve wanted a cohesive critique for my theory for a long time, so I appreciate your scientific knowledge. Thanks for the critique!
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Re: How long will it take for humans to achieve shrinking te

Postby RoleplayIsLife » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:41 am

During my time, I've seen at least five 'impossible' things happen. So I would say this, it is extremely unlikely with how we understand physics and the like currently. However, science usually ends up being used when there is a need and shrinking technology is being considered from time to time for transportation, storage, limiting food consumption, and closer examination are just on top of my mind. Chances are, humans would first make a somewhat pseudo body to control before having a safe means of shrinking. Of course, we also need to consider the scale if humans are making a way to shrink solo or having help from elsewhere. So, hard to say when.
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