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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby 11millionseconds » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:48 pm

Goldy-Gry wrote:Boréalís, you totally missed my po--


--Yo I'm a let you finish, but Karbo is the best artist of all time :lol:
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Goldy-Gry » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:58 pm

"but Karbo is the best artist of all time"

Really..? Everyone knows of Salvator Dali, or Leonardo da Vinci... Who knows of Karbo except us, vore fans? Manga fans maybe? :lol:
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Reaverbot » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:38 pm

Boréalís wrote:Decrying an artist for not drawing a vore type that they obviously dislike and you like is silly. Whether you've offered payment or not.

Vore artwork is usually fetish art or porno. As annoying and finicky as these endless subgenres of vore and predatory preferences can be, at their core they are sexual preferences. Of course the creator is most likely to draw what they like first and foremost.

And that goes for all levels of skill.

I admire Karbo's work on a technical level, but most of the predators just don't connect with me somehow- especially the Nagas, who have become somewhat of a blueprint for the ten-a-penny Nagas that you often see utilised in vore. Having said that, I'm not too fond of the manga style either. This is highly subjective, of course. On a purely technical level he's certainly at the top tier of vore artists- and obviously has a lot of fans because of it.


This is pretty much what my problem is. I don't really care what genders are involved in vore, but I dislike nagas and giantesses heavily.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Borealis » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:46 pm

Well your point, in two posts, seemed to be in favour of "Why doesn't this artist draw male vore even when I offer to pay him?" If that's me mistaking the point you may want to reiterate your posts.

Either way, I was hardly scathing in reply so there need not be any sort of bad interchanges or any such thing. I was more thinking aloud, I suppose.

On a more constructive note, you say in your first post you want to find similar artwork featuring male predators and the like:

( I'd like to see really great MALE vore. Who else has the similar artistic level, but draws MALE vore (please send me the links if you know of such vore artists... ---" )?


Have you considered attempting to find artists outside of the usual vore channels to commission? In this internet age a lot of artists that throw their work out there may be open-minded to such things, depending on how sexual you want the vore to be. I've never seen a male-pred equivalent to Karbo in the vore community, but outside the vore circle I'm sure there are a lot of high-quality manga style artists that commonly utilise male characters or figures as a focus. Undoubtedly harder to chase up though- I'll admit that.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Goldy-Gry » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:49 am

Boréalís wrote:Well your point, in two posts, seemed to be in favour of "Why doesn't this artist draw male vore even when I offer to pay him?"


Yep, exactly. As I already guessed by myself, that he's too popular and can get a lot commissions which he LIKES to draw, so he can be picky and refuse to draw something he doesn't like (can..?) - male vore, furry vore, or maybe fluffy Easter bunnies. I don't know. :?


Boréalís wrote:Have you considered attempting to find artists outside of the usual vore channels to commission? In this internet age a lot of artists that throw their work out there may be open-minded to such things, depending on how sexual you want the vore to be. I've never seen a male-pred equivalent to Karbo in the vore community, but outside the vore circle I'm sure there are a lot of high-quality manga style artists that commonly utilise male characters or figures as a focus. Undoubtedly harder to chase up though- I'll admit that.


Never met artists of these skills who could draw male vore. Yes, there're people who draw males sure. But I didn't see those who could draw nice innershots. Links, please?..
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby paolosampietrotti » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:58 am

Goldy-Gry wrote:
paolosampietrotti wrote:male vore sucks. Period


Speak for yourself, okies? I totally -hate- female vore, but I don't speak about that - even in this topic. I just complained that the artist, which seemed so good for me and was admired by me for the vore skills, refused to take commission just because he was offered to draw male vore. Shame.


Goldy-Gry wrote:"but Karbo is the best artist of all time"

Really..? Everyone knows of Salvator Dali, or Leonardo da Vinci... Who knows of Karbo except us, vore fans? Manga fans maybe? :lol:


You guys really do take yourselves too seriously and can't even read a simple comment for what it is: just a simple comment. Really, get down your own pedestal because you're so high up there that it's pretty much impossible to communicate.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Humbug » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:45 pm

Wow. This has degraded to a vore preferences argument pretty quickly. The fact of the matter is that, yes, Karbo is popular enough to pick and choose commission material. That is not a bad thing. In fact, it's great that Karbo's met such success that he can just choose what he would enjoy drawing and get paid for it. I think we ought to be happy that one of our own is so successful. It would be different if Karbo were mean or stuck-up, but in all the years I've known of and watched Karbo, I haven't ever seen him be particularly rude to anyone. Such a good personality is rare in someone with so much talent and popularity. Bashing on him for having a certain niche he likes to fill is unwarranted, I think.
Could he stand to expand his horizons a bit? Sure. Go back to page one and look at GeneralJTizzy's comment. That's an example of constructive criticism that will actually help Karbo become a better comic writer, and I think Karbo recognized that, given his reply. However, there is nothing that will help him as an artist or a writer in asking him to do fetish material he isn't interested in. He's already shown he can draw males through various pictures in his gallery, and a person's digestive system doesn't really change much from female to male, so there really isn't much to improve upon by switching genders but keeping the vore. What it boils down to is just "This artist is so good that I would love to see my own fetish material done in his style." There is no real benefit for the artist himself, and that is why being hurt or offended that he chose not to do it is kinda silly.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Karbo » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:50 pm

Goldy-Gry : Well I'm sorry my refusal upsetted you. But yeah, there is some things that I'm just not keen on drawing and male vore is one of them, among others... I could if I was really forced but that just does'nt appeal me. I'm sure in your case there is also subjects you aren't comfortable with and you wouldn't like to draw, at least not willingly ...
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Eka » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:00 pm

paolosampietrotti wrote:male vore sucks. Period


This type of comment is unappreciative and non-constructive. Please restrains yourself if you have nothing worth while to say about a certain topic beside making negative remark about a certain preference.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Goldy-Gry » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:32 pm

Karbo wrote:I could if I was really forced but that just does'nt appeal me. I'm sure in your case there is also subjects you aren't comfortable with and you wouldn't like to draw, at least not willingly ...


Most of artists actually used to draw commissions they don't really like (commission is about MONEY after all, and not only about your own wish or creativity - for your own wish you can just draw what you like for free). I only hoped that you are one of those artists and as long as it's about money, you'd just draw any pic.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Crownflame » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:14 pm

...What's wrong with adhering to certain standards in your work and drawing what you like?

Obviously, he's doing what he loves, and can afford to do so. I don't see what's wrong with that. In fact, it's a WONDERFUL thing, if an artist can get paid to use their talents just for the stuff they love, right?

There are a TON of things I wouldn't draw even if I was paid. I'd have to be pretty dang destitute before I would, too.

Last time I checked, being into art soley "for the money" was a BAD THING, right?

Oh, by the way, Goldy, are you talking male human vore, or what? Humans ARE really hard to find, but if you're interested in furry stuff, you can find all kinds of decent people on FurAffinity who'll do it for you. They have standards (do's and don'ts), believe it or not, but most of them are pretty open to stuff like that.

The artists I know off the top of my head are currently closed, but seriously, if you dig, you'll find it. It won't be Karbo's style, but it'll still probably be high-quality work.

And don't the lesser-known artists need a little support, too? XD
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Goldy-Gry » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:00 pm

Crownflame wrote:Oh, by the way, Goldy, are you talking male human vore, or what? Humans ARE really hard to find, but if you're interested in furry stuff, you can find all kinds of decent people on FurAffinity who'll do it for you.


I'm talking of male HUMAN vore. If I would be into furry, there would be no prob for me to go bother people on FurAffinity. But I'm not really interested in furry vore.
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Re: I jsut wanted to say...

Postby Goldy-Gry » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:14 pm

Crownflame wrote:...What's wrong with adhering to certain standards in your work and drawing what you like?


As long as you draw for yourself - absolutely nothing. :-D

Crownflame wrote:Obviously, he's doing what he loves, and can afford to do so. I don't see what's wrong with that. In fact, it's a WONDERFUL thing, if an artist can get paid to use their talents just for the stuff they love, right?


Wonderful for the artist himself, and for those customers whos wishes fit in the limits.

Crownflame wrote:There are a TON of things I wouldn't draw even if I was paid.


It's always good to know that there're artists who have enough money and can be picky. :D
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